Americans waning support for Ukraine

[JustinCharge 2,397]

let's do a thread where we watch American's support for Ukraine in all aspects wane. (overall support, support for more cash, more weapons, etc.)  Trends suggest it will fall well under 50% later this year.  While this will damage democrats, the GOP made a terrible blunder in also supporting it, so they likely won't get a political benefit.  But the GOP can break with the president on funding Ukrainian pensions to help tear down the democrats, but they have declined to do so.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1738727/ukraine-war-russia-news-Biden-us-dxus

 

Biden's 'strong' support for Ukraine increasingly at odds with US public, new poll shows

EXCLUSIVE: The Biden administration's ironclad support for Ukraine could soon become "unsustainable", one military analyst told Express.co.uk as the one-year anniversary of the Russia-Ukraine conflict approaches.

By Adam Chapman

18:57, Thu, Feb 23, 2023 | UPDATED: 19:06, Thu, Feb 23, 2023

The Biden's administration's support for Ukraine remains "strong" but enthusiasm among the American public is "diminishing", one military analyst told Express.co.uk. Rebekah Koffler, a former Defense Intelligence Agency officer, cited a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research that shows support among Americans for providing Ukraine weaponry and direct economic assistance is ebbing in the run up to the one-year anniversary of the invasion.

"The Biden Administration’s support for Ukraine remains strong, at least that’s what the White House is trying to project with President Biden’s surprise visit to Kyiv, Poland and additional half a billion in aid promised to President Zelensky," the military analyst said.

"Support among the American people however is diminishing according to recent polls."

The poll of 1,068 found only 48 percent of Americans are now in favour of the US providing weapons to Ukraine, compared to 60 percent in May last year.

"I expect that reality will set in within the Biden Administration, probably this year, and they will realise that flowing money and military hardware indefinitely into Ukraine is unsustainable," Koffler said.

What else did the poll show?

The polling shows 29 percent opposed sending more arms to Ukraine and 22 percent say they’re neither in favour nor opposed.

Americans are about evenly divided on sending government funds directly to Ukraine, with 37 percent in favour and 38 percent opposed. Twenty three percent said neither.

The signs of diminished support for Ukraine came ahead of Biden's surprise visit to Kyiv on Monday, where he promised a further $500million (£415million) in military aid to Ukraine.

The aid, on top of the more than $50billion (£41billion) already provided, is earmarked for howitzer shells, anti-tank missiles, air surveillance radars and other munitions but no new advanced weaponry.

I am sympathetic for Ukraine’s situation and I feel badly for them, but I feel like we need to first take care of priorities here at home,” said Joe Hernandez, 44, of Rocklin, California, in a follow-up interview.

Hernandez, a Republican, added that it’s difficult to support generous US spending on military and economic assistance to Ukraine when many American communities don’t have the resources to deal with the ramifications of migrants crossing into the US at the southern border, a rise in drug overdoses caused by fentanyl and other lab-produced synthetic opioids and a homelessness crisis in his state.

Biden has repeatedly stated the US will help Ukraine “as long as it takes” to repel the Russian invasion that began on February 24 of last year.

Privately, administration members have warned Ukrainian officials that there is a limit to the patience of a narrowly divided Congress — and American public — for the costs of a war with no clear end.

Congress approved about $113billion (£93billion) in economic, humanitarian and military spending in 2022.

The new poll shows 19 percent of Americans have a great deal of confidence in Biden’s ability to handle the situation in Ukraine, while 37 percent say they have only some confidence and 43 percent have hardly any.

Views of Biden’s handling of the war divide largely along partisan lines.

Among Democrats, 40 percent say they have a great deal of confidence in Biden to handle the situation, 50 percent have some confidence and nine percent have hardly any.

Among Republicans, a large majority (76 percent) say they have hardly any confidence. Those numbers are largely unchanged since last May.

Janice Fortado, 78, of Ipswich, Massachusetts, said Biden deserves credit for his handling of the war.

She agreed with Biden’s hesitance early in the war about sending advanced and offensive weaponry out of concern that it would give Russian President Vladimir Putin a pretext to expand the war beyond Ukraine and spur a larger global conflict.

“As my opinion evolved, I came to wish we had offered more to Ukraine sooner,” said Fortado, a Democrat, who added that she hopes the US and allies change their mind on the fighter jets.

“We seem to have done a drip, drip, drip. I understand why it is they were hesitant, but we are now beyond that point.”

 

 

 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

Hopefully it won’t become unpopular. But if it does that is why we elect politicians and not simply vote on issues: because sometimes they have to make unpopular decisions. 
 

Biden is going to be re-elected so this becomes a moot point. Most likely the Ukraine War will end when Putin makes some kind of face saving retreat. Its been a disaster of Russia and a great triumph for our President. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,059]

Biden didn’t help by being a wuss and going to where he would hear cheers instead of Ohio. 

[RogerDodger 798]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Biden didn’t help by being a wuss and going to where he would hear cheers instead of Ohio. 

Confidence in Biden going down the drain:

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The poll shows 19% of Americans have a great deal of confidence in Biden’s ability to handle the situation in Ukraine, while 37% say they have only some confidence and 43% have hardly any.

 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

There is no motivation in the military ranks to get involved with this.  We're still recovering from a 20 year lost cause based on 9/11.  Getting into another conflict that doesn't directly affect the homeland is almost a non-starter.  That said, its the higher ups call, but hopefully they can read the room.  

[Hardcore troubadour 16,059]

1 minute ago, Ultra Max Power said:

There is no motivation in the military ranks to get involved with this.  We're still recovering from a 20 year lost cause based on 9/11.  Getting into another conflict that doesn't directly affect the homeland is almost a non-starter.  That said, its the higher ups call, but hopefully they can read the room.  

Let’s face it, the Ukraine is going to take a lot of casualties once this offensive begins. The Russians will as well, but they have a lot more to spare, and they won’t be shy about using them.   So what does Ukraine do then? We can send them all the arms they want. They’re still going to need bodies. 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Let’s face it, the Ukraine is going to take a lot of casualties once this offensive begins. The Russians will as well, but they have a lot more to spare, and they won’t be shy about using them.   So what does Ukraine do then? We can send them all the arms they want. They’re still going to need bodies. 

I'm fine if they want to hire defense contractors. U.S. in no way can send troops to support this land conflict for non allied countries. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,157]

So why is Ukraine so important?  What do they give us we cant do without?  They were blamed for inflation.  Is it baby formula?

[Ultra Max Power 214]

24 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

So why is Ukraine so important?  What do they give us we cant do without?  They were blamed for inflation.  Is it baby formula?

Kickbacks... Jack

[RogerDodger 798]

33 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

So why is Ukraine so important?  What do they give us we cant do without?  They were blamed for inflation.  Is it baby formula?

10% for the big guy.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Just to provide the sort of context that a wise elder person like me can only provide, it's been a year of America supporting Ukrainian defense against Putin's violent hegemony.

 

For comparison? Police squad, arguably one of the finest, most popular television shows ever created only lasted six episodes.

 

Let's face it Americans have the attention span of a meth addicted,retarded puppy with ADD. 

 

It's a good thing we didn't have guys like Justin around in in the 1940s.

"Whaaa! Hawaii is not even a state! And what if you're not Jewish? And I've never even been to Europe! The Nazis aren't the ones crossing our Southern border!  Make America Nope Again!"

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

Honestly with how much money we've given them that should be our land now or at least some kind of vassal state.

[wiffleball 4,797]

4 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Honestly with how much money we've given them that should be our land now or at least some kind of vassal state.

They gave us Mila Kunis.

 

Seems fair.

[5-Points 3,840]

Fock em. Can't see it from my house. 

[wiffleball 4,797]

Just now, 5-Points said:

Fock em. Can't see it from my house. 

...Sarah Palin's latest Twitter.

[BufordT 444]

This is where I hope our politicians are smarter than the average citizen.  I said hope gawddammit.

[Mike Hunt 318]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hopefully it won’t become unpopular. But if it does that is why we elect politicians and not simply vote on issues: because sometimes they have to make unpopular decisions. 
 

Biden is going to be re-elected so this becomes a moot point. Most likely the Ukraine War will end when Putin makes some kind of face saving retreat. Its been a disaster of Russia and a great triumph for our President. 

 

Americans just don`t have the belly for long term conflicts anymore. 

If they are get in and get out yes.  Any long-term investments with money and or soldiers and the interest wanes pretty fast. Russia already knows this, so does China and they are playing the long game.

Bien has to make it 2 more years to get re-elected.  If he keeps falling down not sure that will happen.

[5-Points 3,840]

21 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

...Sarah Palin's latest Twitter.

If she can see Russia from her house she should be able to see Ukraine. 

[posty 2,851]

27 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

...Sarah Palin's latest Twitter.

Or the more accurate SNL sketch...

[GobbleDog 1,019]

24 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Americans just don`t have the belly for long term conflicts anymore.

Yeah, but this is Russia. Everyone older than 40 grew up hating the dirty pinko Russians and watching their military get trashed makes them happy. That's probably why Biden has been able to get bipartisan support for his Ukraine packages.

Younger folks who don't remember the cold war might not be as enthused. But they're young and stupid so nobody cares what they think.

[listen2me 23 1,969]

Just now, GobbleDog said:

Younger folks who don't remember the cold war might not be as enthused. But they're young and stupid so nobody cares what they think.

The base for the left.

[Tree of Knowledge 2,266]

2 hours ago, Cloaca du jour said:

So why is Ukraine so important?  What do they give us we cant do without?  They were blamed for inflation.  Is it baby formula?

We probably could have purchased several African countries or Greenland with the money we’ve sent to Ukraine.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,407]

2 hours ago, Cloaca du jour said:

So why is Ukraine so important?  What do they give us we cant do without?  They were blamed for inflation.  Is it baby formula?

I laid that out in great detail over in the Ukraine thread.

[Cloaca du jour 2,157]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I laid that out in great detail over in the Ukraine thread.

Got it, foreign relations expert!!!

[5-Points 3,840]

How many American politicians have to travel to "a war zone", including great grandpotus, to clue you into the fact that this whole thing is a sham?

 

 

 

 

[Big Guy 1,435]

5 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

Americans waning support for Ukraine

 

 

 

the truth must finally getting out

[Hardcore troubadour 16,059]

Ben Stiller and Bono went to Ukraine. Let’s pin a medal on them too. 

[Gepetto 1,482]

https://nypost.com/2023/02/21/east-palestine-mayor-rips-biden-for-not-visiting-ohio-train-site/

[Hardcore troubadour 16,059]

Ukraine is fighting for its very existence and in essence, ours.  Make sure the pensions are funded there. 

[Tree of Knowledge 2,266]

No Russian ever tried to groom my kids.   

[JustinCharge 2,397]

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/ukraine_46_see_war_as_stalemate_after_a_year

Ukraine: 46% See War as Stalemate After a Year

Friday, February 24, 2023

On the one-year anniversary of Russia’s invasion, nearly half of American voters see the war in Ukraine as a stalemate.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that just 19% of Likely U.S. Voters believe Russia is winning the war in Ukraine. Twenty-one percent (21%) think Ukraine is winning, down from 32% in December.  Forty-six percent (46%) see the war in Ukraine as basically a stalemate, up from 38% in December. Another 14% are not sure who’s winning. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

[JustinCharge 2,397]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/us/politics/ukraine-republican-skeptics.html

But there is evidence to suggest that the anti-Ukraine flank of the Republican Party is playing not to the fringe but to the heart of the party’s base. A survey last month of registered voters by Kristen Soltis Anderson’s Echelon Insights found that 52 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents do not think U.S. interests are at stake in Ukraine. Similarly, a survey in March conducted by Axios/Ipsos found that 57 percent of Republicans opposed providing weapons and financial support to Ukraine.

“It’s insane that so few Republican members are willing to say what I’m willing to say,” Senator J.D. Vance, Republican of Ohio and a vocal opponent of aid to Ukraine, said in a recent interview. “Clearly something is broken down about the democratic opinion-making process.”

 

[Cdub100 3,996]

Never had any, to begin with.

[TheNewGirl 1,638]

On 2/23/2023 at 3:52 PM, Cloaca du jour said:

Got it, foreign relations expert!!!

That's CAPTAIN Foreign Relations Expert to YOU, MISTER!!!!! 

[seafoam1 3,525]

Focking liberals are so stupid. 

 

[avoiding injuries 1,656]

Ukraine has been sucking on the teet long enough. Good luck to them. 
The Cold War ended with Rocky IV. The democrats still use them as the boogeyman when the real villain is China. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,059]

Liberals really are so stupid.  Putin can be all they say he is and Zelensky can be a pos at the same time. They can’t grasp that concept. Also, Randi Weingarten went to Ukraine to check on how  their education is going. You would think she could have made a pit stop in Baltimore or any of the other failing school systems to check in on them.  

[thegeneral 3,699]

We should be looking for an off-ramp in Ukraine Russia war.

If Russia wants to keep going however, fock them and the horse they rode in on. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,407]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

We should be looking for an off-ramp in Ukraine Russia war.

If Russia wants to keep going however, fock them and the horse they rode in on. 

From what I've read so far of this offensive, it's like a chainsaw cutting into a tree, and the Russians are dying like flies more than ever. 

I hope this decides the war. Putin already is in bunker mentality and being fed lies about how things are going. It's like Hitler in that movie "Downfall."

The Steiner attack isn't coming. All is lost.

[Gepetto 1,482]