Ohio college student dies after alleged fraternity hazing incident

[listen2me 23 1,952]

46 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

When I was pledging we went on a camping retreat, great time.  I remember one of the brothers telling me to come here with a full beer.  He said "When I throw the frisbee to Matt, start chugging, and you have to finish before I get the frisbee back".  First time, fail.  Go get another beer.  Second time, fail.  Go get another beer.  I go get another beer, puke in the woods, come back, and finish the third one in time.  Lots of laughs and high fives.  I guess technically hazing but it was fun.

Lol it definitely is a generational thing.  Your camping frat trip sounds like a Tuesday morning to me at that time in my life.  

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36 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Fraternities are ultra ghey.

I've been to Ohio U once.  It is a pretty big party college for sure.

This was at Bowling Green

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Just now, nospk said:

They call him Stone Cold

This was at Bowling Green

Oh I read it wrong haha..

[nospk 230]

Aren’t all MAC schools party schools  though 

[listen2me 23 1,952]

Just now, nospk said:

Aren’t all MAC schools party schools  though 

Yeah possibly.  UB was pretty good at partying.  Ohio U used to be ranked near the top with the Wisconsins of the world when I went to college.  

Not sure about the other MAC schools.  But probably.

[jerryskids 7,083]

24 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Maybe it is a generational difference but I believe it was quite easy to get into them when I was college aged.  Everyone was asked at parties all the time.  I dont know the process but the fraternities sought people out much harder than students tried to find a fraternity.    It would be as simple as showing up to a frat house.  Downing some beers.  Talking with a frat leader. And boom.  

Ive heard you say this before and never understood it.  Perhaps we just had totally different experiences.  In the late 2000s...at UB....it looked rather easy to get into a frat.  

I hung out at frat parties and drank their kegs.  But I was never interested in joining a frat.

Our situation was different than most.  My brother and son are in fraternities which I would say are more typical -- spend a semester or a year going around to parties, find a place where you click, go there once per week for some pledge thingy, get initiated, pay dues, eventually maybe move into a house (my son's didn't have a house).  

We showed up on a Thursday in September to start school the next week.  Fraternity Rush began Friday.  Bids went out Saturday and Sunday.  You moved instantly into the house and spent the entire semester as a pledge.  Because everything happened so fast it was very difficult to determine how good of a fit somebody was before giving out bids, and our pledge training was a slow build of subtle mind-focking designed to (1) have the pledge determine if they really wanted to live there and contribute, and (2) build a tight unity within the pledge class.  We weren't looking for rich lazy worthless kids who just wanted a place to party.  Because the pledges lived there, there was no break.  Maybe 60-70% of them made it through.

And to the comment about spending money to buy friends, my dues + house bill was less than room and board/meal plan at the school (I got 20 meals/week, good ones, not crap cafeteria slop), so I actually saved money being in the fraternity.

30+ years later my brothers, especially my pledge brothers, are still among my best friends.  They know about my cancer and I've directly corresponded with most of them about it.  

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Just now, jerryskids said:

Our situation was different than most.  My brother and son are in fraternities which I would say are more typical -- spend a semester or a year going around to parties, find a place where you click, go there once per week for some pledge thingy, get initiated, pay dues, eventually maybe move into a house (my son's didn't have a house).  

We showed up on a Thursday in September to start school the next week.  Fraternity Rush began Friday.  Bids went out Saturday and Sunday.  You moved instantly into the house and spent the entire semester as a pledge.  Because everything happened so fast it was very difficult to determine how good of a fit somebody was before giving out bids, and our pledge training was a slow build of subtle mind-focking designed to (1) have the pledge determine if they really wanted to live there and contribute, and (2) build a tight unity within the pledge class.  We weren't looking for rich lazy worthless kids who just wanted a place to party.  Because the pledges lived there, there was no break.  Maybe 60-70% of them made it through.

And to the comment about spending money to buy friends, my dues + house bill was less than room and board/meal plan at the school (I got 20 meals/week, good ones, not crap cafeteria slop), so I actually saved money being in the fraternity.

30+ years later my brothers, especially my pledge brothers, are still among my best friends.  They know about my cancer and I've directly corresponded with most of them about it.  

I dont knock making lifelong friends out of it with connections.  I still have 2 college friends I keep a solid contact with after 15 or so years.  

It just never seemed like a route I was interested in.  I lived off campus after my 1 dorm semester.  We had a big house and 5 guys and 1 girl lived in it.  We had big parties.  Many weekend we would walk to the giant frat parties.  They charged 5 bucks at the door for a solo cup for guys.  And free for girls.  Basically a cheap drunk night for me and my friends.  Hangout amongt a couple hundred people.  Get trashed.  Wobble to Jim Steakout for a 3am stinger sub.  Walk home.  

Perhaps I missed out on something.  But I made a bunch of friends in the dorms and then through other friends and parties.  We had a fairly big group of friends and maybe all but 2 never tried the frat stuff.  

I dont understand the "are they a good fit" stuff.  What does that mean?  

[Gepetto 1,454]

Welp, there was a lot of drinking and hazing in my fraternity.  Fraternity was a great way to meet cool friends.  There were a lot of dorks in the dorms and some of the other fraternities.

[Bier Meister 1,750]

Similar experiences as Jerry.

 

Went to a small school, so it was not necessary but a lot of fun.  I still have very good friends who were in the fraternity, and some who weren't.

 

We did have a few pledges/brothers who were with AA, so no drinking for them...actually, most of us were vigilant to look out for them to ensure that they didn't grab drinks themselves.

[porkbutt 897]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

There was at least one awesome pages long debate about this years ago.

yes....im sure i won that one too. there's really no defense for carrying another dude's books and cleaning their underwear just for friendship

they can say what they want but deep down to say "i was a frat boy" is an embarrassment.

[jerryskids 7,083]

5 minutes ago, porkbutt said:

yes....im sure i won that one too. there's really no defense for carrying another dude's books and cleaning their underwear just for friendship

they can say what they want but deep down to say "i was a frat boy" is an embarrassment.

If by "won" you mean "flaunted your ignorance," then you probably did.  In fact I remember you not having glowing comments the last time we discussed this as well.  Sorry that the fraternities ignored you, but you have all of us virtual friends here for you now.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

My fraternities motto is Semper Fidelis and our hazing lasted three months. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

My fraternities motto is Semper Fidelis and our hazing lasted three months. 

Not the same. I think the Marines is far more bonding and noble.

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18 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Welp, there was a lot of drinking and hazing in my fraternity.  Fraternity was a great way to meet cool friends.  There were a lot of dorks in the dorms and some of the other fraternities.

That was another thing, I was at a tech school where a LOT of the tech kids were dorks.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

1 minute ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Not the same. I think the Marines is far more bonding and noble.

Well thank you, sir. 

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5 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

How would anyone even "force" someone to drink alcohol in "copious" amounts. Or any amounts for that matter?

Nobody forced him. It was his own Foltz. 

[t.j. booker 218]

I got recruited to a frat when I was in community college. On “hell night” they made me wear lipstick and a tutu and dropped me off in the middle of nowhere. By the time I walked back to campus my feet were covered in blisters from the high heels.

The joke was on TJ though: There was no frat!  

[JustinCharge 2,397]

frats are where emotionally immature boys go to meet others like themselves.  but its not something a grown man would be proud to have been a part of.  the negative stereotype of a frat boy is that of a male diva.  always gossiping behind peoples backs and creating a hostile environment with their snooty attitude.  

[SUXBNME 1,594]

Uh...Double secret probation anyone? 

[DonS 3,319]

9 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

It must be a generational thing.  I went to UB after community college for 2 years.  Moderately big school.  South of south campus there were a handful of streets where many people once out of dorms got apartments.

I also went to UB after 2 years of community college. This was back in 91-92.  Was Molly's, PJ's, and Third Base still there when you went? 

[Alias Detective 1,459]

15 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

If so, that makes you a tool and someone that won't get into the fraternity.

Bwahahahahah 🥴

[NorthernVike 2,095]

Did this happen before or after the brojamming?

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12 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

frats are where emotionally immature boys go to meet others like themselves.  but its not something a grown man would be proud to have been a part of.  the negative stereotype of a frat boy is that of a male diva.  always gossiping behind peoples backs and creating a hostile environment with their snooty attitude.  

This is a false stereotype that many people have.  It's a shame.

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8 hours ago, DonS said:

I also went to UB after 2 years of community college. This was back in 91-92.  Was Molly's, PJ's, and Third Base still there when you went? 

3rd base was....main street.  There was a Molly's some where down in south buffalo but not familiar with one in thr University Heights area.  PJs no or at least didnt frequent a PJs.  

The Steer was a regular location close to home.  I lived on the dead end Custer Street.  Broadway Joe's was a dive of all dive bars further down Main a little.  25 cent wing nights with pitchers of rolling rock for 5 or 6 bucks.  

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9 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

3rd base was....main street.  There was a Molly's some where down in south buffalo but not familiar with one in thr University Heights area.  PJs no or at least didnt frequent a PJs.  

The Steer was a regular location close to home.  I lived on the dead end Custer Street.  Broadway Joe's was a dive of all dive bars further down Main a little.  25 cent wing nights with pitchers of rolling rock for 5 or 6 bucks.  

PJ Bottoms was next door to 3rd Base. Molly's was just a couple blocks down from the other bars. They had a weekly "all you can drink" beer special.  Pay one price for a cup and then it was all the Golden Anniversary you could handle.  Cheap focking beer but it never gave me the sh1ts so it worked for me.

I think I need to poke around Google Maps and figure out what's still around down there. 

ETA:  Damn.  Looks like Main St is completely different now.  I recognize some of the landmarks from before (Tops, Amherst Theater, Dunkin Donuts) but it looks like everything else is gone.  Not surprising since we are talking 30 years ago, but still a bummer. 

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1 minute ago, DonS said:

PJ Bottoms was next door to 3rd Base. Molly's was just a couple blocks down from the other bars. They had a weekly "all you can drink" beer special.  Pay one price for a cup and then it was all the Golden Anniversary you could handle.  Cheap focking beer but it never gave me the sh1ts so it worked for me.

I think I need to poke around Google Maps and figure out what's still around down there. 

Ohh PJ Bottoms yeah that was there.  I didnt go there much though.  Molly's might have been too....god my memory is already shot.  Its only been like 12 or 13 years.

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16 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

frats are where emotionally immature boys go to meet others like themselves. but its not something a grown man would be proud to have been a part of.  the negative stereotype of a frat boy is that of a male diva.  always gossiping behind peoples backs and creating a hostile environment with their snooty attitude.  

You ever hear of entertainer Danny Thomas that founded St. Jude's Children's Hospital? Just asking because even to this day at age 58 I'm proud to say I was in TKE fraternity and took part in many fundraisers with the fraternity to support fellow TKE Danny Thomas' dream of a hospital that would cater to children.

In the early 1950s, Danny began discussing with friends what concrete form his vow might take. Gradually, the idea of a children’s hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, where it would be the first fully integrated hospital in the South, took shape. In 1955, Danny Thomas and a group of Memphis business people who had agreed to help support his dream seized on the idea of creating a unique research hospital devoted to curing catastrophic diseases in children. More than just a treatment facility, this would be a research center for the children of the world, regardless of race, religion or financial status.

[Gepetto 1,454]

3 hours ago, nzoner said:

You ever hear of entertainer Danny Thomas that founded St. Jude's Children's Hospital? Just asking because even to this day at age 58 I'm proud to say I was in TKE fraternity and took part in many fundraisers with the fraternity to support fellow TKE Danny Thomas' dream of a hospital that would cater to children.

In the early 1950s, Danny began discussing with friends what concrete form his vow might take. Gradually, the idea of a children’s hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, where it would be the first fully integrated hospital in the South, took shape. In 1955, Danny Thomas and a group of Memphis business people who had agreed to help support his dream seized on the idea of creating a unique research hospital devoted to curing catastrophic diseases in children. More than just a treatment facility, this would be a research center for the children of the world, regardless of race, religion or financial status.

That's Awesome!

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3 hours ago, nzoner said:

You ever hear of entertainer Danny Thomas that founded St. Jude's Children's Hospital? Just asking because even to this day at age 58 I'm proud to say I was in TKE fraternity and took part in many fundraisers with the fraternity to support fellow TKE Danny Thomas' dream of a hospital that would cater to children.

In the early 1950s, Danny began discussing with friends what concrete form his vow might take. Gradually, the idea of a children’s hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, where it would be the first fully integrated hospital in the South, took shape. In 1955, Danny Thomas and a group of Memphis business people who had agreed to help support his dream seized on the idea of creating a unique research hospital devoted to curing catastrophic diseases in children. More than just a treatment facility, this would be a research center for the children of the world, regardless of race, religion or financial status.

Quite noble.  One does not need to be in a frat to do charity work however.

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On 3/9/2021 at 3:37 PM, porkbutt said:

ban frats. there's nothing gayer

Nailed it. Why does most hazing have gay undertones?  focking weirdos. 

Buddy of mine's son 2 years ago had to keep a steak tip in his ass crack during the school day and then eat it back at the frat house. Why does most hazing have something to do with ass or cack?  they just need to have an orgy together and come back to reality

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19 minutes ago, edjr said:

Nailed it. Why does most hazing have gay undertones?  focking weirdos. 

Buddy of mine's son 2 years ago had to keep a steak tip in his ass crack during the school day and then eat it back at the frat house. Why does most hazing have something to do with ass or cack?  they just need to have an orgy together and come back to reality

Did they even allow you into college?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Trump was in a frat. Obama was in a gang. The choom gang. 

[Herbivore 1,197]

23 hours ago, jerryskids said:

That was another thing, I was at a tech school where a LOT of the tech kids were dorks.

This was part of my experience.  We had a few months to Rush.  Was a pledge for the rest of the year basically.  Moved into the house sophomore year.  Pledging was easy, no weird crap.  There was no forced drinking, some didnt drink at all.  House was great.  Parties were awesome.  Fraternity sports were great.  I played hoops, flag fball, softball, vball, bowling, tennis, and racquetball for the house team.  I even played on our C League hockey team.  We did fundraisers for local charities.  In a school with serious nerds it was great to live in a place with many like minded people.  There are about 12 of us who are tight to this day.  We are planning a long weekend for us to get together as most are turning 50.  

[jerryskids 7,083]

49 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

This was part of my experience.  We had a few months to Rush.  Was a pledge for the rest of the year basically.  Moved into the house sophomore year.  Pledging was easy, no weird crap.  There was no forced drinking, some didnt drink at all.  House was great.  Parties were awesome.  Fraternity sports were great.  I played hoops, flag fball, softball, vball, bowling, tennis, and racquetball for the house team.  I even played on our C League hockey team.  We did fundraisers for local charities.  In a school with serious nerds it was great to live in a place with many like minded people.  There are about 12 of us who are tight to this day.  We are planning a long weekend for us to get together as most are turning 50.  

Bowling?    Actually I would have done that; I was in a bowling league when I was younger.  But New England only had candlepin bowling vs. real bowling.  For some reason candlepin bowling was insanely popular on TV in the 80s, often rivaling Celtics games for top viewership.  I tried it a few times, meh. 

Anyway, yeah the sports teams and other extracurricular activities were a big part of the fun.  Freshman year we had a bunch of good soccer players so we had an A league team; they knew I played sports so asked me to sub in one game.  I told them I had never played.  They put me at forward, explained offsides, and told me to run up and down the field to tire the other team out.  Game ended up a 0-0 tie, and I almost scored the only goal off of a corner kick.  Weird how you can vividly remember things like that.

At the other end of the spectrum I also played D league hockey.  You can fake soccer, but you can't fake skating.  We had a keg on the bench.  Also there wasn't supposed to be checking, but none of us were very good at stopping, so we just skated into other people to stop. 

 

[Herbivore 1,197]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Bowling?    Actually I would have done that; I was in a bowling league when I was younger.  But New England only had candlepin bowling vs. real bowling.  For some reason candlepin bowling was insanely popular on TV in the 80s, often rivaling Celtics games for top viewership.  I tried it a few times, meh. 

Anyway, yeah the sports teams and other extracurricular activities were a big part of the fun.  Freshman year we had a bunch of good soccer players so we had an A league team; they knew I played sports so asked me to sub in one game.  I told them I had never played.  They put me at forward, explained offsides, and told me to run up and down the field to tire the other team out.  Game ended up a 0-0 tie, and I almost scored the only goal off of a corner kick.  Weird how you can vividly remember things like that.

At the other end of the spectrum I also played D league hockey.  You can fake soccer, but you can't fake skating.  We had a keg on the bench.  Also there wasn't supposed to be checking, but none of us were very good at stopping, so we just skated into other people to stop. 

 

Ha..our league had checking.  I led the team in penalty minutes.  I am a terrible skater.  Skated into the boards to stop.  Was hit once and spun in a circle while everyone made to the other side of the ice.  Got a goal though.  Bowling was Big Ball, but played Candlepin growing up.  And watched the 70s, 80s matches on TV.  Those had to have the saddest fans in sports history.

[DonS 3,319]

How does this candlepin differ from normal bowling? 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

5 minutes ago, DonS said:

How does this candlepin differ from normal bowling? 

Smaller ball, smaller pins, 3 balls per frame instead of 2.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Perhaps THIS is the notorious Bowling Green Massacre that TrumpCo touted? 

 

Kelly Anne was RIGHT!!

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 hours ago, DonS said:

How does this candlepin differ from normal bowling? 

It's ghey. Whereas normal bowling isn't. 

[Thornton Melon 648]

8 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Smaller ball, smaller pins, 3 balls per frame instead of 2.

Not too mention it's harder. I don't know what the record is for a single candlepin string, but I think it's safe to say no one has ever bowled a perfect game.