DonS 3,067 Posted November 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, Fireballer said: Saturday is probably an exceptional leader of men with a great football IQ. Irsay would obviously know this. Thats all they need. Dudes will run through walls for a leader that they want to follow. BUT. HE'S. WHITE!!!!!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: I said earlier that I know it has happened more recently in other sports I know, I am just still trying to figure out how its a story in the first place I own a business, I hire whoever I want for whatever position I want Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,799 Posted November 21, 2022 Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said: I know, I am just still trying to figure out how its a story in the first place I own a business, I hire whoever I want for whatever position I want Even Pat McAfee, who played with Saturday, was shocked by it. It’s definitely a story. Just shouldn’t have had a race angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Even Pat McAfee, who played with Saturday, was shocked by it. It’s definitely a story. Just shouldn’t have had a race angle. yah I guess its a story, because people want to make it one, I don't think the job of HC needs coaching experience, I think its mostly leadership and trusting your assistants Tomlin barely had any experience and hes been one of the best HC's of alltime, I think he was only a CB coach Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,184 Posted November 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: yah I guess its a story, because people want to make it one, I don't think the job of HC needs coaching experience, I think its mostly leadership and trusting your assistants Tomlin barely had any experience and hes been one of the best HC's of alltime, I think he was only a CB coach Tomlin had 12 years of coaching experience prior to getting the Steelers job- including 5-6 years as an NFL coach under Dungy and Gruden. He was a wide receivers coach in addition to his defensive back work in his lifetime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,644 Posted November 21, 2022 How did Dungee get in the HOF, and so fast, and Coughlin still isn’t in? Coughlin is the much better coach. It’s not close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted November 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Tomlin had 12 years of coaching experience prior to getting the Steelers job- including 5-6 years as an NFL coach under Dungy and Gruden. He was a wide receivers coach in addition to his defensive back work in his lifetime. and zero years playing I would think a center calling line calls for 15 years who is a HOF would be able to figure things out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,710 Posted November 21, 2022 Well, either way, pretty impressed after 2 games. The team is playing better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,184 Posted November 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: and zero years playing I would think a center calling line calls for 15 years who is a HOF would be able to figure things out So now you want to move the goalposts on that discussion too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted November 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: So now you want to move the goalposts on that discussion too? what goalposts have I moved? I don't think being a HC has any particular qualification, other than being a good leader, and being able to recognize how to get the best out of your players, something a tv analyst can do as well I think Romo would be a great HC as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,039 Posted November 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said: Take away the race aspect for a minute (from both sides of the argument).....does anyone want to argue that Jeff Saturday was qualified for the position? Really his hire was an insult to white and black coaches all up and down the NFL and college ranks. Eh, he might be. Most employers make the same mistake. They take a guy or gal who is exceptional at one thing and make him or her the leader because of that when many times, the skills that made a person great at one job don't translate to leadership. In reality, the best head coach needs to be the best organizer, the best motivator, the best at setting culture, and the best at reading a situation and directing high level policy. All that being said, it's probably a dumb hire, but we don't need to act like coaching football needs decades of training. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 21, 2022 Colts did the right thing and it's showing. They hired a smart white known leader as their coach. They should give Saturday a 10 year extension on his contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,400 Posted November 21, 2022 The Colts blew it today, should have had it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 21, 2022 4 hours ago, JustinCharge said: its a free country. quotas suck. you should get THAT, not the horrible reactions. Link to me not getting that “quotas suck”? the hell are you even talking about panties in a bunch because the team of the decade lost? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: yah I guess its a story, because people want to make it one, I don't think the job of HC needs coaching experience, I think its mostly leadership and trusting your It is all of the things you mentioned but coaches put in their time working up the ranks and learning under other coaches. Even the least experienced examples you can find. that’s what made it a goofy hire. personally I’m fine with it but I completely understand the shock and backlash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 987 Posted November 21, 2022 Jeff Saturday is INTERIM Head Coach. People are making too much out of this. He has strong ties to the Colts organization, and he knows the game of NFL Football. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,799 Posted November 21, 2022 3 hours ago, craftsman said: Colts did the right thing and it's showing. They hired a smart white known leader as their coach. They should give Saturday a 10 year extension on his contract. Why does it matter that he’s white? They fired a white guy too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, TimHauck said: Why does it matter that he’s white? They fired a white guy too It matters because there are a ton of black people speaking out against hiring a white guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,184 Posted November 21, 2022 3 hours ago, TimHauck said: Why does it matter that he’s white? They fired a white guy too Because utilit99 is a racist idiot. Among being other types of idiots. I think the hire in and of itself was not racist. I think the argument tact some people are taking in defending it borders on racism. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted November 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Gepetto said: Jeff Saturday is INTERIM Head Coach. People are making too much out of this. He has strong ties to the Colts organization, and he knows the game of NFL Football. Correct. But it's not really about anything other than pointless whining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted November 21, 2022 16 hours ago, Gepetto said: Jeff Saturday is INTERIM Head Coach. People are making too much out of this. He has strong ties to the Colts organization, and he knows the game of NFL Football. they also badly needed some Oline attn 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 21, 2022 11 hours ago, Sean Mooney said: Because utilit99 is a racist idiot. Among being other types of idiots. I think the hire in and of itself was not racist. I think the argument tact some people are taking in defending it borders on racism. you dont care about racism unless its whites doing it. racist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,184 Posted November 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: you dont care about racism unless its whites doing it. racist. False. Idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: False. Idiot. you dont think liberas of marthas vineyard rounding up migrants of color via the military and shipping them out isnt racism. idiot. and even if you did, you sure as hell didnt complain about it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 2,517 Posted November 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: you dont think liberas of marthas vineyard rounding up migrants of color via the military and shipping them out isnt racism. idiot. and even if you did, you sure as hell didnt complain about it. So that makes him a racist also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,184 Posted November 22, 2022 31 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: you dont think liberas of marthas vineyard rounding up migrants of color via the military and shipping them out isnt racism. idiot. and even if you did, you sure as hell didnt complain about it. What does this have to do with Jeff Saturday and the Colts or further more when I said "I think the hire in and of itself was not racist. " Do you not know how conversation works when you aren't running around here with your Chicken Little act? 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,184 Posted November 22, 2022 This is an interesting e-mail from Peter King's column today that is tangentially related to the Saturday stuff. The e-mail is about Brian Flores suit: Quote Interesting query. From Steve Cammett: “With the success of the Dolphins and Giants this season, in your opinion, how does it impact Brian Flores claims of racial bias? It appears the franchises made the correct hires based on skill and leadership, rather than race. I compared the resumes of Brian Flores and Brian Daboll. Daboll had to coach 20 years compared to Flores 10 years, before he became a head coach in the NFL.” Interesting in that he is probably right that it might help adjust the idea that Daboll was unfairly hired, but also interesting in that it talks about the length of experience Daboll had to get the job (experience length that people in this thread are saying isn't important.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,799 Posted November 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: This is an interesting e-mail from Peter King's column today that is tangentially related to the Saturday stuff. The e-mail is about Brian Flores suit: Interesting in that he is probably right that it might help adjust the idea that Daboll was unfairly hired, but also interesting in that it talks about the length of experience Daboll had to get the job (experience length that people in this thread are saying isn't important.) I don’t think there was a claim that Daboll was unqualified, just that they were making a sham of the Rooney rule and never gave Flores a chance. Interestingly Panthers interim coach Steve Wilks had joined in on Flores’ lawsuit. But pretty sure he won’t be staying on as HC… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taco breath 419 Posted November 22, 2022 21 hours ago, Reality said: Well, either way, pretty impressed after 2 games. The team is playing better. the next bill belecek? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 22, 2022 21 hours ago, Gepetto said: Jeff Saturday is INTERIM Head Coach. People are making too much out of this. He has strong ties to the Colts organization, and he knows the game of NFL Football. 15 hours ago, RLLD said: Correct. But it's not really about anything other than pointless whining. please I don’t care about racism in the NFL and it’s overblown anyway. Forget that part. What does the interim label have to do with anything, aside from making the hire more perplexing? Why would the colts go out of their way to hire someone with no coaching experience to come in and be an interim coach? I’ll tell you….it’s because the interim label is nothing more than a convenient out if he turns out to be in way over his head. If the colts wanted a true interim coach, they would simply name someone already on staff with the expectation that they start the hiring process in the offseason. and make no mistake, I have no complaints myself about the hiring of Saturday but I find it odd that people are pretending not to understand the criticism of the move. Most people probably wouldn’t like someone with zero experience who didn’t apply for the job being handed a high level position in their industry I love the hire because it’s fun and interesting but I certainly understand the complaints. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted November 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: please I don’t care about racism in the NFL and it’s overblown anyway. Forget that part. What does the interim label have to do with anything, aside from making the hire more perplexing? Why would the colts go out of their way to hire someone with no coaching experience to come in and be an interim coach? I’ll tell you….it’s because the interim label is nothing more than a convenient out if he turns out to be in way over his head. If the colts wanted a true interim coach, they would simply name someone already on staff with the expectation that they start the hiring process in the offseason. and make no mistake, I have no complaints myself about the hiring of Saturday but I find it odd that people are pretending not to understand the criticism of the move. Most people probably wouldn’t like someone with zero experience who didn’t apply for the job being handed a high level position in their industry I love the hire because it’s fun and interesting but I certainly understand the complaints. Have you ever fired or hired anyone? Serious question. Steve Kerr, was a PG (similar to an NFL Center or QB) and never coached. He was in the front office of an NBA team, did some TV, had Basketball high IQ. Hired as the Head Coach of the Warriors because the Owner thought it was the right choice. Leaders lead. Again, have you ever fired or hired anyone? Jeff Saturday checks all the coaching boxes.....sometimes you take a chance, especially with an interim label. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, KSB2424 said: Have you ever fired or hired anyone? Serious question. Steve Kerr, was a PG (similar to an NFL Center or QB) and never coached. He was in the front office of an NBA team, did some TV, had Basketball high IQ. Hired as the Head Coach of the Warriors because the Owner thought it was the right choice. Leaders lead. Again, have you ever fired or hired anyone? Jeff Saturday checks all the coaching boxes.....sometimes you take a chance, especially with an interim label. I'm not even sure why anyone would even question this hiring. Saturday was the "field general" on the offense when Peyton Manning was QB. Not the other way around. He would get in Manning's face and tell him what's up when Manning focked up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, KSB2424 said: Have you ever fired or hired anyone? Serious question. Steve Kerr, was a PG (similar to an NFL Center or QB) and never coached. He was in the front office of an NBA team, did some TV, had Basketball high IQ. Hired as the Head Coach of the Warriors because the Owner thought it was the right choice. Leaders lead. Again, have you ever fired or hired anyone? Jeff Saturday checks all the coaching boxes.....sometimes you take a chance, especially with an interim label. Yes, I have. Much more hiring than firing, thankfully. The NBA isn’t a great comparison to the NFL for a few reasons but I’ll skip that… as you stated, Steve Kerr had front office experience in the NBA. 5? Years with the Suns I believe. Much easier to gauge someone’s leadership qualities when you have some body of work to reference at the pro level. He also technically coached within the Warriors organization prior to being officially named head coach. I appreciate the effort but Kerr actually had experience working in the NBA You state Jeff Saturday “checks all the boxes” yet he has no coaching experience or even front office experience at the college or NFL level. I already stated a few times within this thread that I like the hire. He was a smart player and well respected but that’s pretty much it. I love that they are taking a chance but it doesn’t discredit peoples skepticism of the hire. your mention of “especially with the interim label” is right in step with me saying that by slapping that label on the hire, they make it easier to take such a chance . Assuming you have hired someone before, do you usually hire candidates with no experience who didn’t apply for the position and then say to yourself “this candidate checks all boxes”? serious question. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,184 Posted November 22, 2022 11 hours ago, TimHauck said: I don’t think there was a claim that Daboll was unqualified, just that they were making a sham of the Rooney rule and never gave Flores a chance. Interestingly Panthers interim coach Steve Wilks had joined in on Flores’ lawsuit. But pretty sure he won’t be staying on as HC… You aren't saying anything different than what I did. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Hunt 154 Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/15/2022 at 11:49 AM, TimHauck said: People that think they should have been considered might care Every hire in every field has people who have been passed over. It is up the person hiring to decide who they want for the position. MLB has hired former players as managers who never coached or managed one game anywhere. I am sure plenty of people were passed over. It happens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,799 Posted November 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said: Every hire in every field has people who have been passed over. It is up the person hiring to decide who they want for the position. MLB has hired former players as managers who never coached or managed one game anywhere. I am sure plenty of people were passed over. It happens Agree. I don’t think it was worth being outraged over. But definitely a surprise and newsworthy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,033 Posted December 17, 2022 Minority coach wouldn't have blown a 33-0 lead. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLCKAA 395 Posted December 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: Minority coach wouldn't have blown a 33-0 lead. I want the world to know that I called that Colts loss at halftime. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,033 Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, MLCKAA said: I want the world to know that I called that Colts loss at halftime. Honest to god, I kind of did that when Houston was leading the Bills 35-3 in the playoffs. Said at the time "With Buffalo's offense this isn't over yet". I got laughed at that...then everyone thought I was psychic a few hours later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted December 18, 2022 Why are white dudes so dumb? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites