Jan. 6 videos finally released. The Dems were full of crap.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,730]

I heard it called a “Fedsurrection” today.  Seems more appropriate the more we find out.  

[Strike 5,266]

Haven't been following this thread so apologies if this has been posted, but the former head of the Jan 6th committee says NO ONE on the committee had access to the videos Tucker is exposing:

You can't make this sh*t up.  But yeah, they were after the "truth."
 

[Voltaire 5,207]

20 hours ago, jonmx said:

Can't liberals see they have become nothing but low-life fascist boot-lickers?   What principles do they stand for?

- evidence suppression

- anti-speech

- locking up innocent citizens 

We have a lying f-ing gestopo running this country in the interest of big government and mega corporations.  Normal citizens are f-ed.   You really think they give a crap about wokist politics.  You are being manipulated you leftist clowns. 

Who made who?

Wokesters look capable of hijacking the government and corporations using gestopo tactics without compromising their Marxist beliefs. 

[Voltaire 5,207]

5 hours ago, Strike said:

Haven't been following this thread so apologies if this has been posted, but the former head of the Jan 6th committee says NO ONE on the committee had access to the videos Tucker is exposing:

You can't make this sh*t up.  But yeah, they were after the "truth."
 

Dear God. And whose responsible for holding it back from them?

Meanwhile their media allies will take it seriously without question while their clueless lemming MSM addicts will just eat it all up, as we've seen dozens if not hundreds, of times.

Unreal. Should be unreal.

[Voltaire 5,207]

18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The main problem with your analysis, IMO, is that the Democrats wanted an investigation of January 6 by a full committee that would have consisted of a 50/50 bipartisan panel chosen by Pelosi and McCarthy- the usual way they do these things. But the Republicans voted against any investigation at all. That’s what led to the select committee. 

You are misinformed. That's not what happened. McCarthy sent a delegation to sit the committee and Pelosi rejected some of the members so he withdrew the whole delegation. At that point, Pelosi picked two "Republicans" herself, both hardcore never-Trumpers and the only two willing to participate in her dog-and-pony show, thus the uniparty kangaroo court Inquisition began - and why it deserves nothing but mocking and  emojis.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kevin-mccarthy-jan-6-committee-picks-removed-pelosi-rejects-jim-jordan-jim-banks/

[Voltaire 5,207]

18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It helps to explain it. But the main reason the presentation was one sided is the same reason the Republicans refused to participate: because the truth in this instance is one-sided. There isn’t really any good defense for what happened on January 6, no two sides. That’s also the flaw with what Tucker is doing. 

I hope my when you watch my link from the post above, you'll see the falsity of this statement. Pelosi rejected two of the five the Republicans sent to the committee, all five were withdrawn. At that point she hand-selected two of her own never-Trumpers to participate instead and so the one-sided witchhunt began...

... and why their work was completely meaningless to people not part of their own partisan crowd.

[seafoam1 2,819]

11 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I hope my when you watch my link from the post above, you'll see the falsity of this statement. Pelosi rejected two of the five the Republicans sent to the committee, all five were withdrawn. At that point she hand-selected two of her own never-Trumpers to participate instead and so the one-sided witchhunt began...

... and why their work was completely meaningless to people not part of their own partisan crowd.

Don't forget that pelosi overstepping her authority against the minority leader's choices for that council was unprecedented. Never happened before.

The left lost their minds trying to get Trump and failing time and again. They went all in and lost and looked like fools from the get go. 

Never seen anyone politically and socially more intolerant and over the top angry at people not doing what they tell them to do. They are sick autocrat wanna-bes. 

[Voltaire 5,207]

8 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Don't forget that pelosi overstepping her authority against the minority leader's choices for that council was unprecedented. Never happened before.

The left lost their minds trying to get Trump and failing time and again. They went all in and lost and looked like fools from the get go. 

Never seen anyone politically and socially more intolerant and over the top angry at people not doing what they tell them to do. They are sick autocrat wanna-bes. 

Exactly. She knew she could get away with it because the press had her back to such an extent that MSM-only consumers like Tim and dogcows got the facts wrong.

[jonmx 2,424]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Who made who?

Wokesters look capable of hijacking the government and corporations using gestopo tactics without compromising their Marxist beliefs. 

You don't understand the extent of our intelligence agencies and their obsession with mind control, public manipulation, and power.  They are not our friends, and never have been.  They are murderous thugs.  Look at what they did:

- Operation paperclip, saving thousands of the worst Nazi's from prosecution and stealing their talents by putting them in important positions and learning their tactics and lessons from their evil experimentation on Jews. 

- Operation .Mockingbird, infiltrating major media organizations and universities with CIA agents where they recruit more and more people, until they have become this monolithic voice messaging and educating the American public with whatever the CIA-FBI-NSA wants.

- Edward Snowden, exposing how NSA is actively spying on American citizens.  This is J. Edgar Hoover on steroids.  The extent of their files are unknown, but if Hoover's record keeping on people are any indication, you do not want to know.

Operation MK-Ultra.  Mind control experimentation using drugs, including LSD.  This went on not only prisons and mental institutions, but also in the general populations particularly our universities where willing participants were easy to find.  Charles Manson cults were a part of these experiments, as was Jack Ruby and many believe Sirhan Sirhan.  

 - the Twitter files.  Exposing collusions between our intelligence and health bureaucracies with media and big tech amplifying the messaging they want and censoring the messaging they don't want.  

- and whether you believe me or not, the CIA were the masterminds behind the assassination of JFK.  That is why they keep files classified.  It is not a crazy theory, it is fact.  Nothing would be secret if it were the act of a lone gun man.  There would be no files at all. Instead we have has thousands of files disappear, redacted, or still being kept secret.  Why?  What is secret about some little known peon lone nut?  

The spread of wokism was by those within our government.  They are not traditional Marxist.  They are more a new form of fascism which are rooted in our intelligence agencies working in support of the interests of our mega corporations in health, energy, tech and finance.

People who expose aspects of these evil fascist cartel are ruthlessly slaughter in the media and are targets by our government enforcement arm. 

The orchestrated attacks on Tucker were universally parrotted by all of media and even joined by establishment Republicans.  How can intelligent people look at those videos and not see there was at least some level of entrapment?

Why is Edward Snowden still treated as some kind of evil person.  All he did was whostleblow and expose the massive invasion of privacy by the NSA.  He should be a national hero, but in the media and government eyes, he is public enemy 1.  It makes no logic sense.  

The crap going on with O'Keefe.  Not only the FBI raids on his home for his completely legal handling of the Biden diary, but now his being outed by his own board for exposing Pfizer.  The media has ruthlessly attacked James and no one is defending him in the mainstream media.  

The #1 enemy of our freedom and constitution is not this evil boogeyman out intelligence agencies and media are telling us, those evil right-wingers, ie., ordinary citizens.  It is this new fascism inside our government, which uses secrecy under the guise of national security to operate above the law and beyond the control of our elected officials.  Some house Republicans are doing some good work, but they do not have the power to overcome even the establishment portion within their own party to amount to a hill of beans. 

[jonmx 2,424]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

Exactly. She knew she could get away with it because the press had her back to such an extent that MSM-only consumers like Tim and dogcows got the facts wrong.

Pelosi is just a peon and useful puppet within the scheme of things.   

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2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Pelosi is just a peon and useful puppet within the scheme of things.   

These current day liberal puppets play a willing and important role in the big picture.

They are necessary and accountable to their masters. Without them, this garbage couldn't be pulled off so discreetly in front of the masses. The problem is, your average liberal joe desires their own (imagined) power. They are brainless dupes that beg for their own self righteousness to be put on display. That's why they are rats in every sense of the word.

[jonmx 2,424]

30 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

These current day liberal puppets play a willing and important role in the big picture.

They are necessary and accountable to their masters. Without them, this garbage couldn't be pulled off so discreetly in front of the masses. The problem is, your average liberal joe desires their own (imagined) power. They are brainless dupes that beg for their own self righteousness to be put on display. That's why they are rats in every sense of the word.

It is not just Democrats.  There are plenty of Romney's, Bush's, and Fords within the GOP.  The power structure of both parties do not represent the people.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,992]

As shown last night, the Jan 6 mostly peaceful protesters were denied access to exculpatory evidence. What country is this? Our own elected officials conspire against our own people and the courts go along with it? Shame on those prosecutors and shame on those judges if they don’t demand to see the evidence.  

[dogcows 1,030]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

You are misinformed. That's not what happened. McCarthy sent a delegation to sit the committee and Pelosi rejected some of the members so he withdrew the whole delegation. At that point, Pelosi picked two "Republicans" herself, both hardcore never-Trumpers and the only two willing to participate in her dog-and-pony show, thus the uniparty kangaroo court Inquisition began - and why it deserves nothing but mocking and  emojis.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kevin-mccarthy-jan-6-committee-picks-removed-pelosi-rejects-jim-jordan-jim-banks/

Of note: McCarthy selected 2 members who were expected to be subpoenaed by the commission. I believe the term is poisoning the well. 

He could have selected Republicans that weren’t walking conflicts of interest, to meet the bare minimum of ethical standards. He didn’t.

Only the farthest of the right buy what you’re selling above.

As I’ve said before, the GOP is sprinting towards a cliff by pushing farther and farther to the right. They’re losing moderates and even many long-time conservatives. I expected them to ease off the gas after the 2022 election disappointment, but they learned nothing. I expect 2024 will be ugly for the Republicans. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

As shown last night, the Jan 6 mostly peaceful protesters were denied access to exculpatory evidence. What country is this? Our own elected officials conspire against our own people and the courts go along with it? Shame on those prosecutors and shame on those judges if they don’t demand to see the evidence.  

Link?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,992]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Link?

You should have watched. The Viking hat guys lawyer was on. Said he never had the video and had asked for it numerous times. The leftist judge went along with it. Also, did you know Viking hat guy has a diagnosed mental health disability? What’s the matter with you people? 

[Voltaire 5,207]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

Pelosi is just a peon and useful puppet within the scheme of things.   

Assuming there's a cabal of evil manipulators behind the scenes, Pelosi has/had a seat at that table. She's no peon. So far as the cabal exists, it's composed of middle to upper level managers in various government agencies that sing from the same hymnal as Pelosi, and Pelosi has a lot of control over the song lyrics in that hymnal.

 

[dogcows 1,030]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You should have watched. The Viking hat guys lawyer was on. Said he never had the video and had asked for it numerous times. The leftist judge went along with it. Also, did you know Viking hat guy has a diagnosed mental health disability? What’s the matter with you people? 

Yeah he’s obviously a nut case. But crazy people can commit crimes too. If you want to set free every crazy person, you’d find that every person in jail would suddenly claim to have mental illness. If he was so crazy as to be incompetent to stand trial, his lawyer should have filed a motion.

If the lawyer isn’t completely full of , he should file an appeal. I have a feeling he won’t and that he’s just using this appearance on Fox to get publicity.

PS - I read the recap on Fox, and the lawyer didn’t say that he asked for the footage. He simply said he wasn’t shown it. So… did he even file a motion to get it? I’m going with: the lawyer is full of it. Tucker, once again, is completely wrong. Gotta hand it to him for consistency though.

[dogcows 1,030]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Assuming there's a cabal of evil manipulators behind the scenes

Some say we should regularly challenge our assumptions to get a fresh look at things. I think that applies here…

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[Voltaire 5,207]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Also, did you know Viking hat guy has a diagnosed mental health disability? 

That's not a surprise, sadly.

When I first saw the guy interviewed, I was excited, "Oh brave, cool looking, and charismatic buffalo-headdress man! Speak to us! Share with us your wisdom!"

The he opened his mouth and vast quantities of stupid poured out. It was hugely deflating to find he was such a sh*tty spokesperson for his cause.

What a waste of his fifteen minutes of fame. If you're going to take the time to storm the capitol and serve as interim Speaker of the House, do it right.

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12 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

That's not a surprise, sadly.

When I first saw the guy interviewed, I was excited, "Oh brave, cool looking, and charismatic buffalo-headdress man! Speak to us! Share with us your wisdom!"

The he opened his mouth and vast quantities of stupid poured out. It was hugely deflating to find he was such a sh*tty spokesperson for his cause.

What a waste of his fifteen minutes of fame. If you're going to take the time to storm the capitol and serve as interim Speaker of the House, do it right.

Well, he was a Trump supporter.   

 

Sorry, I couldn't resist the low hanging fruit.  

[Sean Mooney 1,949]

21 hours ago, kozmiq said:

We ?  Did you say we ?  Again, I hear 'we' instead of 'I'.  We're 7 pages deep defending Trump.  Move on.  Show your disdain for his actions.

You should know Raiders is the most central poster here according to....(checks notes) himself.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,992]

27 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Yeah he’s obviously a nut case. But crazy people can commit crimes too. If you want to set free every crazy person, you’d find that every person in jail would suddenly claim to have mental illness. If he was so crazy as to be incompetent to stand trial, his lawyer should have filed a motion.

If the lawyer isn’t completely full of , he should file an appeal. I have a feeling he won’t and that he’s just using this appearance on Fox to get publicity.

PS - I read the recap on Fox, and the lawyer didn’t say that he asked for the footage. He simply said he wasn’t shown it. So… did he even file a motion to get it? I’m going with: the lawyer is full of it. Tucker, once again, is completely wrong. Gotta hand it to him for consistency though.

I heard him say he asked for all the video. But you know what? It doesn’t matter. The prosecution has to hand over all evidence. They didn’t. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,247]

11 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You should know Raiders is the most central poster here according to....(checks notes) himself.

 

And most people here realize this

quick what’s my stance here stalker boy

[Engorgeous George 2,166]

On 3/6/2023 at 10:19 PM, Pimpadeaux said:

This isn't a handful. You're an idiot.

 

I love body worn camera footage. The shaky nature of it makes everything seem more chaotic.  That was the lesson of the Blair Witch Project movie.

 

Yes Capital police were overwhelmed by a surging crowd which would not be held back.  The inevitability of the surge was like a tide coming in.  Yes officers, some were pushed down.  Some were clearly struck with sticks or poles, lets call them bludgeons.  They were not baseball bats, tire irons or other items designed specifically for stricking, but that some were struck is undeniable.  That many were pushed and pushed repeatedly, even pushed down is undeniable. When that is combined with the overwhelming tide coming up behind I am sure it is scary.  Scarier still when they realized they had no control, the mob could do whatever it wanted due to numbers, and some of those number had their voices and faces contorted with rage, some did.  Had to be scary.

 

That said, the crowd did not stab or shoot any officers.  They did not curb stomp them while they were down.  Ssome helped officers back to their feet.  The crowd for the most part did not throw projectiles like any now standard protest.  There were not hundreds of flying rocks, frozen water bottles or fireworks.  at least for the most part as video certainly does reveal some projectiles.  I did see at least one firework and a few traffic cones being thrown and a bike rack or three lifted and pushed forward.

 

When it came to the doors and windows it became clear some in the mob had more than poles or sticks.  Some had two by fours and hammers used to break the windows and doors.  I did not witness any pry bars but I could easily surmise maybe there were some.  It took a great deal of force to break in.  Watching the slow inevitabilty of that from those standing at the breach was probably frightening.

Once the breach occured the surge continued.  What did not happen, however, was any violence to the cops once the breach occured.  The folks were not there for that kind of violence.  What happened is the mob realized it had no real plan, no leadership, and they essentially milled about while a few in the mob proceeded into the chambers shouting violent rhetoric and looking to be big shots.

On the day nothing was accomplished other than the massaging of Trump's ego.  No one was hung by the rickety faux gallows.  No odfficer was killed and no congress person or senator was captured, tortured, killed or raped.  Congress was interrupted and folks were frightened, and understanbly so.  One women who placed herself at the front of the mob was shot and killed, and understandably so.  When you participate in chaos you don't then get to argue things were chaotic. She created the condition of her own death. Could the officer have been more restrained, sure, ideally. But when you create chaos you reap the whirlwind. 

To me this was short of insurrection by a mile.  It was a riot for vanity, incredibly stupid and needs to be punished sufficiently to vindicate the rule of law and our custom of an orderly transition of power.  But insurrection, to me, is a real grab for power, not a stupid, self-destructive tantrum. Punish these idiots, vindicate the rule of law. but real power, well that is displayed not by excess, but by measured moderation.  By confidence a point was sufficently made. arrest, prosecute, fine and incarcerate, but do not incarcerate so long as to let anger, and maybe shame metastasize to something virelent in the future.

To me the biggest problem with the unlawful idiiocy of the crowd is we now have a new paradigm and once we have them they are repeated, invariably.  It is now concievable to riot on electoral results.  To threaten violence and to even cross the line of violence. Sure in this instance the line was not crossed very far, but the possibilty of violence, and increased violence, has now been presented as a real rather than hypothetical option.

 

Did the democrats shamefully conflate and exaggerate everything that happened?  Certainly.  But one has to remember they are hysterical puszies and they were really frightened.

Have the republicans downplayed everything that happened.  Yes, absolutely.  And what happened is they opened pandoras box and they did it for the ego of a venile infant of a man..

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[Sean Mooney 1,949]

12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

And most people here realize this

quick what’s my stance here stalker boy

Your stance here is just being a douchenozzle

 

[Horseman 2,390]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Your stance here is just being a douchenozzle

 

Teachers lounge finally got the internet turned back on. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,247]

22 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Your stance here is just being a douchenozzle

 

you contribute so much, go back to baby sitting

[Sean Mooney 1,949]

34 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

you contribute so much, go back to baby sitting

same tired ass lines from you guys.

 

[dogcows 1,030]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I heard him say he asked for all the video. But you know what? It doesn’t matter. The prosecution has to hand over all evidence. They didn’t. 

If he is telling the truth, he can file an appeal. We will see if he puts up or shuts up. I’m guessing the latter. 

[Cdub100 3,850]

Mostly peaceful. 

[RLLD 4,154]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I heard him say he asked for all the video. But you know what? It doesn’t matter. The prosecution has to hand over all evidence. They didn’t. 

I think this is rather common.  Prosecutors are not exactly immune from corruption. We can see instances where convictions are overturned because of prosecutorial malfeasance. 

And keep in mind that Jan 6th is not about criminal activity, it is only about doing what ever it takes to prevent Trump from being President.  I mean, if he gets back in there and resumes things like historically low AA unemployment?  That could harm long term Democrat elections, no sir....cannot allow actual improvements to hit those groups....

[Hardcore troubadour 14,992]

17 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If he is telling the truth, he can file an appeal. We will see if he puts up or shuts up. I’m guessing the latter. 

So you’re good with the prosecution withholding evidence? And after watching Viking guy not do any violence or vandalism, you’re good with him getting four years, on a plea bargain? Wow.  

[Engorgeous George 2,166]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you’re good with the prosecution withholding evidence? And after watching Viking guy not do any violence or vandalism, you’re good with him getting four years, on a plea bargain? Wow.  

I find his sentence disproportionate to civil disobedience protests where the individual themselves was non-violent.  I find it disproportionate to sentences of riotors, lately, over politcal protests.  I believe however he was aware he was engaging in something qualitatively new, civil disobedience obstructing governmental operations concerning the transfer of national ececutuve branch power.  Under that unique circumstance I am not shocked at the sentence and I suspect neither is he. I likely would have crafted a more imaginative sentence involving somewhat less incarceration, but i don't find it wholly out of bounds, just not what I would have done. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

5 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I find his sentence disproportionate to civil disobedience protests where the individual themselves was non-violent.  I find it disproportionate to sentences of riotors, lately, over politcal protests.  I believe however he was aware he was engaging in something qualitatively new, civil disobedience obstructing governmental operations concerning the transfer of national ececutuve branch power.  Under that unique circumstance I am not shocked at the sentence and I suspect neither is he. I likely would have crafted a more imaginative sentence involving somewhat less incarceration, but i don't find it wholly out of bounds, just not what I would have done. 

yet bill clinton walks free after lying under oath.

[Engorgeous George 2,166]

5 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

yet bill clinton walks free after lying under oath.

There are myriad examples of sentencing disparities from my point of view.  I note that Clinton was not sentenced to my memory.  There was a finfding, i believe, but in a civil matter, if I recall.  I suppose the court could have considered stronger civil contempy, but as to a sitting president there are constitutional complications, if I understand the matter correctly.

 

Is there an immutable, objective, universal justice, or is justivce in the eye of the beholder?

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[Hardcore troubadour 14,992]

4 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

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Benny Thompson is an illiterate moron.