All the liberals on this site consider themselves moderates.

[Raven Fan 362]

 

7 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Not you, those are mostly gutterboy, squistion, and Tim's battles. And it involves many, many variations: the appropriateness of drag queen story hour, gay pron in school libraries, transwomen athletes, boys raping girls in the girls restroom, the sex organ mutilation of minors, governments or non-custodial parents kidnapping children, schools not informing parents of transitioning children, forced pronoun usage, and such.

My friend very very few libs "defend" trannies as you note.  Maybe Tim.   And the bolded above?  It happens so very very very seldom in this country that we libs just laugh at how much energy and emphasis conservatives put on it here.  Just look at how many trannie threads are made here every day by the nutjob alt right MAGAtards.  By the number of threads here you'd think that trannies were around every corner.  That drag queen story hour was every day in every library.  That gay porn was found in every elementary school library.  It's sickening how much focus the alt right puts on this minor minor issue while ignoring so many other real problems in this country like gun deaths by young people for example.  We libs don't believe the bolded should be ignored or even tolerated, we just say deal with them as they come up, drag queen story hour is not appropriate and the parents who bring their kids should bear responsibility.  No porn in schools.  Girls should not have to share bathrooms with biological boys.  Girls should not have to compete against biological boys, etc.  Handle them as they happen with reasonableness and sense.

But for the love of god please stop acting like our country is being taken over by trannies.  It's stupid and just a way for the alt right to be outraged by something else that's not really impacting our country.

You want to give libs a hard time, you have the border, you have lenient laws for criminals that don't put them away, you have some officials who cater to the extreme woke left, etc.  Criticisms against these are reasonable and we can debate them.   The constant teeth gnashing about drag queen story hour while ignoring all the actual child harm being done by the church, boy scouts, young life, etc is moronic. 

[supermike80 1,865]

2 hours ago, Raven Fan said:

 

My friend very very few libs "defend" trannies as you note.  Maybe Tim.   And the bolded above?  It happens so very very very seldom in this country that we libs just laugh at how much energy and emphasis conservatives put on it here.  Just look at how many trannie threads are made here every day by the nutjob alt right MAGAtards.  By the number of threads here you'd think that trannies were around every corner.  That drag queen story hour was every day in every library.  That gay porn was found in every elementary school library.  It's sickening how much focus the alt right puts on this minor minor issue while ignoring so many other real problems in this country like gun deaths by young people for example.  We libs don't believe the bolded should be ignored or even tolerated, we just say deal with them as they come up, drag queen story hour is not appropriate and the parents who bring their kids should bear responsibility.  No porn in schools.  Girls should not have to share bathrooms with biological boys.  Girls should not have to compete against biological boys, etc.  Handle them as they happen with reasonableness and sense.

But for the love of god please stop acting like our country is being taken over by trannies.  It's stupid and just a way for the alt right to be outraged by something else that's not really impacting our country.

You want to give libs a hard time, you have the border, you have lenient laws for criminals that don't put them away, you have some officials who cater to the extreme woke left, etc.  Criticisms against these are reasonable and we can debate them.   The constant teeth gnashing about drag queen story hour while ignoring all the actual child harm being done by the church, boy scouts, young life, etc is moronic. 

This is disingenuous.  We can be punished in Michigan for "misgendering" someone.  When the government decides to mandate this stuff, it IS Taking over.  

[Raven Fan 362]

Just now, supermike80 said:

This is disingenuous.  We can be punished in Michigan for "misgendering" someone.  When the government decides to mandate this stuff, it IS Taking over.  

How often do you run across trannies or "misgendering" someone in your life?  Me?  Never.

And you're telling me that if you call some tranny "woman" a man you can be punished?  Sorry not buying that.  Has to be way more to it than what you're putting forward.  There's tons of laws about race and age and disability discrimination that I don't give a single thought to.  This is the exact same thing boyo. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,134]

Libtards “ I disagree with this list of things, but I’m going to vote for it anyway because of my feelings”.  Lol. 

[supermike80 1,865]

8 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

How often do you run across trannies or "misgendering" someone in your life?  Me?  Never.

And you're telling me that if you call some tranny "woman" a man you can be punished?  Sorry not buying that.  Has to be way more to it than what you're putting forward.  There's tons of laws about race and age and disability discrimination that I don't give a single thought to.  This is the exact same thing boyo. 

Tisk tisk

https://www.newsweek.com/dylan-mulvaney-wish-michigan-gender-pronouns-law-1810660

[Raven Fan 362]

56 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Tisk tisk

https://www.newsweek.com/dylan-mulvaney-wish-michigan-gender-pronouns-law-1810660

Just as I said.  The same exact thing would apply to people who harrass or intimidate people of different races, religions, age.

Step away from the alt right media my friend.

And it's not even a law FFS.

Get your stuff together boyo. You'll likely never even encounter a tranny in your life.  You should really stop giving them so much of your mental space. 

[supermike80 1,865]

5 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Just as I said.  The same exact thing would apply to people who harrass or intimidate people of different races, religions, age.

Step away from the alt right media my friend.

And it's not even a law FFS.

Get your stuff together boyo. You'll likely never even encounter a tranny in your life.  You should really stop giving them so much of your mental space. 

Oh they don't take much of my head space, you made the statement, I showed you that you were in fact, wrong.   I personally don't care one iota if an adult wants to change his or her gender.  It's weird and mental illness, but whatever....if it works for you God speed.   I will never support any kind of gender adjustments for children. Now or ever.  that's where I draw the line.  And if I misgender you, don't say I am committing violence.  That's just dumb.

[Raven Fan 362]

4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Oh they don't take much of my head space, you made the statement, I showed you that you were in fact, wrong.   I personally don't care one iota if an adult wants to change his or her gender.  It's weird and mental illness, but whatever....if it works for you God speed.   I will never support any kind of gender adjustments for children. Now or ever.  that's where I draw the line.  And if I misgender you, don't say I am committing violence.  That's just dumb.

You claimed it was a law, it is not.

You lose.

You're just scared of these weird people who you don't understand.  Here's an idea, just pretend they don't exist and if you do happen to run across one IRL treat them like you'd treat any minority or religious person or even regular person.

You'll be fine.  Less fear in your life will be good for you boyo.   No one is hauling you off to jail if call a trans "gal" he.

LMFAO

[supermike80 1,865]

1 minute ago, Raven Fan said:

You claimed it was a law, it is not.

You lose.

You're just scared of these weird people who you don't understand.  Here's an idea, just pretend they don't exist and if you do happen to run across one IRL treat them like you'd treat any minority or religious person or even regular person.

You'll be fine.  Less fear in your life will be good for you boyo.   No one is hauling you off to jail if call a trans "gal" he.

LMFAO

Point it, its getting government support.  And you said it isn't going anywhere..I showed you  that in fact it is.

[5-Points 3,437]

12 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

7. Think abortion should be legal but rare

8. For common sense gun control measures

9. Not in favor of tax cuts for billionaires 

We have plenty of gun laws already on the books. There is nothing sensible about banning certain types of firearms because a small fraction of mental cases illegally misuse them. 

[RLLD 4,180]

I might suggest that there are actually more moderates than radicals.    But actual liberals are far more peaceful and collaborative.  But they cannot be so given the unfortunate rise of radicalism, which is effectively a religious cult now.   The radicals are not tolerant of other ideas, the people who hold them....or of anything other than total devotion to the religion.  So the real liberals stay quiet to avoid being excommunicated....or worse....and as a result we get a rather steady diet of radical stupidity....

[Alias Detective 1,391]

15 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Please tell us what beliefs we need to hold in order to be considered extreme liberals friend. 

 

13 hours ago, Raven Fan said:

Lol

You’re less useful than a well used dooshbag.

love this for you boyo. 

BwahahahahahH

[MDC 7,225]

On this site even a moderate Dem seems like a Marxist.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,286]

14 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

What would you call us if we believe:

1.   Two genders.  None of the man/woman nonsense

2.   Against physical intervention for sex stuff for minors

3.  Believe climate change is largely man made

4.  Know the 2020 election wasn't stolen

5.  Think DEI has gone much too far.  AA had it's place in the 70's/80's but isn't needed anymore

6.  Think we need secure borders but we should have a robust system to vett asylum seekers

That's just a few friend. 

Damn you’re so close to being normal 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,286]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

On this site even a moderate Dem seems like a Marxist.  

I don’t think you are.  The rest of them though

[Mike Honcho 5,230]

Once again, Seafoam1 is wrong.  I have never said I'm a moderate liberal and have said before I'm very progressive on most liberal issues.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,134]

17 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Once again, Seafoam1 is wrong.  I have never said I'm a moderate liberal and have said before I'm very progressive on most liberal issues.  

This is true.  Also not retarded sometimes. 

[Mike Honcho 5,230]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This is true.  Also not retarded sometimes. 

I'm going to cry, that's nicer than anything my Dad ever said to me.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,134]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I'm going to cry, that's nicer than anything my Dad ever said to me.   

Smoke up Johnny. 

[Engorgeous George 2,236]

29 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Once again, Seafoam1 is wrong.  I have never said I'm a moderate liberal and have said before I'm very progressive on most liberal issues.  

And yet a damn fine fellow.

[TBayXXXVII 2,500]

You might be a leftist if...

-- You call someone racist/xenophobic because they think we should have closed borders.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think Climate Change is a "Crisis".

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You call someone a racist for pointing out statistics.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think Pro Life is "alt-right".

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think there are more than 2 genders.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You resort to -ist/-phobic/-hate name calling because you don't have a real answer.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think race, gender, or ethnicity should be a consideration for anything, instead of treating everyone equally.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think straight white conservative men, are evil in any way, just because they're straight white conservative men.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think socialism (including "Democratic socialism"), and/or communism (or it being done "the right way"), is preferable to capitalism.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think Donald Trump is any different than any other politician.

[jerryskids 6,657]

5 hours ago, Raven Fan said:

 

My friend very very few libs "defend" trannies as you note.  Maybe Tim.   And the bolded above?  It happens so very very very seldom in this country that we libs just laugh at how much energy and emphasis conservatives put on it here.  Just look at how many trannie threads are made here every day by the nutjob alt right MAGAtards.  By the number of threads here you'd think that trannies were around every corner.  That drag queen story hour was every day in every library.  That gay porn was found in every elementary school library.  It's sickening how much focus the alt right puts on this minor minor issue while ignoring so many other real problems in this country like gun deaths by young people for example.  We libs don't believe the bolded should be ignored or even tolerated, we just say deal with them as they come up, drag queen story hour is not appropriate and the parents who bring their kids should bear responsibility.  No porn in schools.  Girls should not have to share bathrooms with biological boys.  Girls should not have to compete against biological boys, etc.  Handle them as they happen with reasonableness and sense.

But for the love of god please stop acting like our country is being taken over by trannies.  It's stupid and just a way for the alt right to be outraged by something else that's not really impacting our country.

You want to give libs a hard time, you have the border, you have lenient laws for criminals that don't put them away, you have some officials who cater to the extreme woke left, etc.  Criticisms against these are reasonable and we can debate them.   The constant teeth gnashing about drag queen story hour while ignoring all the actual child harm being done by the church, boy scouts, young life, etc is moronic. 

The bolded is demonstrably false.  You personally may or may not believe things, but these things have all been supported by the Left.

[squistion 2,051]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

On this site even a moderate Dem seems like a Marxist.  

Or is always labeled as such.

[TheNewGirl 1,422]

17 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

What would you call us if we believe:

1.   Two genders.  None of the man/woman nonsense

2.   Against physical intervention for sex stuff for minors

3.  Believe climate change is largely man made

4.  Know the 2020 election wasn't stolen

5.  Think DEI has gone much too far.  AA had it's place in the 70's/80's but isn't needed anymore

6.  Think we need secure borders but we should have a robust system to vett asylum seekers

That's just a few friend. 

 

15 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

7. Think abortion should be legal but rare

8. For common sense gun control measures

9. Not in favor of tax cuts for billionaires 

I can get behind all 9 of these. 

[BuckSwope 654]

2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You might be a leftist if...

-- You call someone racist/xenophobic because they think we should have closed borders.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think Climate Change is a "Crisis".

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You call someone a racist for pointing out statistics.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think Pro Life is "alt-right".

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think there are more than 2 genders.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You resort to -ist/-phobic/-hate name calling because you don't have a real answer.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think race, gender, or ethnicity should be a consideration for anything, instead of treating everyone equally.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think straight white conservative men, are evil in any way, just because they're straight white conservative men.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think socialism (including "Democratic socialism"), and/or communism (or it being done "the right way"), is preferable to capitalism.

 

You might be a leftist if...

-- You think Donald Trump is any different than any other politician.

I would LOVE for MAGA nation to get this fact too.  

[seafoam1 2,867]

The TDS you libs all have is telling of being a liberal lefty.

[Fnord 2,135]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

The bolded is demonstrably false.  You personally may or may not believe things, but these things have all been supported by the Left.

I think I've had this conversation with you or @Voltaire in the past, and it also speaks to the link @supermike80shared earlier about the bill in MI.

My stance is to treat the word "woke" as a synonym for respect. Respect for those who have made choices about who they are and how they want to be addressed. Respect for their POV, preferences, and individuality. I respect those choices just like I'd hope they respect mine, even if those decisions are not ones we would ever consider making in our own lives. That doesn't mean being okay with pron in schools (though I think people are making much ado about very little on that front), biological males competing against biological females in non-coed sports, those under 18 undergoing surgical sex changes without parental approval, or cross-use of gender specific bathrooms in schools. 

I'm okay with the MI bill Mike referred to, although it's unfortunate that would need to be codified into law because of a small minority of ignorant bigots. It targets that tiny minority by specifying that the misgendering be intentional and meant to inflict pain on those being misgendered. It's not saying you're going to be punished for accidentally calling someone 'ma'am' instead of 'sir.'

My workplace allows employees to use the locker- and restrooms of the gender they identify with. I'm also okay with this, despite it requiring me to walk a fine line between respecting the choices of those that don't identify as their biological gender vs those that are not comfortable with a "man" being in the "women's" locker room.

The arguments we have in this place rarely include recognition of nuance when the opportunity for a blanket statement of condemnation or insinuating someone thinks this because they've admitted to thinking that are easier and score more points amongst the like-minded. There aren't many true zealots here, and those that are definitely skew far right. Here, I'm considered a Marxist, when in reality I consider myself a "liberaltarian." Socially liberal with a strong sense of personal agency and freedom, supporting the first and second amendments and a semblance of fiscal responsibility. Common sense gun and abortion laws. Balancing our need for environmental stewardship with the reality that fossil fuels are still needed.

These aren't extreme positions IRL except in the mind of deranged fuksticks like the OP, who has no real convictions of his own other than being the most useless troll on this backwater shlthole of the internet. 

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,964]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I think I've had this conversation with you or @Voltaire in the past, and it also speaks to the link @supermike80shared earlier about the bill in MI.

My stance is to treat the word "woke" as a synonym for respect. Respect for those who have made choices about who they are and how they want to be addressed. Respect for their POV, preferences, and individuality. I respect those choices just like I'd hope they respect mine, even if those decisions are not ones we would ever consider making in our own lives. That doesn't mean being okay with pron in schools (though I think people are making much ado about very little on that front), biological males competing against biological females in non-coed sports, those under 18 undergoing surgical sex changes without parental approval, or cross-use of gender specific bathrooms in schools. 

I'm okay with the MI bill Mike referred to, although it's unfortunate that would need to be codified into law because of a small minority of ignorant bigots. It targets that tiny minority by specifying that the misgendering be intentional and meant to inflict pain on those being misgendered. It's not saying you're going to be punished for accidentally calling someone 'ma'am' instead of 'sir.'

My workplace allows employees to use the locker- and restrooms of the gender they identify with. I'm also okay with this, despite it requiring me to walk a fine line between respecting the choices of those that don't identify as their biological gender vs those that are not comfortable with a "man" being in the "women's" locker room.

The arguments we have in this place rarely include recognition of nuance when the opportunity for a blanket statement of condemnation or insinuating someone thinks this because they've admitted to thinking that are easier and score more points amongst the like-minded. There aren't many true zealots here, and those that are definitely skew far right. Here, I'm considered a Marxist, when in reality I consider myself a "liberaltarian." Socially liberal with a strong sense of personal agency and freedom, supporting the first and second amendments and a semblance of fiscal responsibility. Common sense gun and abortion laws. Balancing our need for environmental stewardship with the reality that fossil fuels are still needed.

These aren't extreme positions IRL except in the mind of deranged fuksticks like the OP, who has no real convictions of his own other than being the most useless troll on this backwater shlthole of the internet. 

 

Except "woke" does not mean "accept". Not even close.  

You can fool yourself with that nonsense, but you would only be fooling yourself.

[TBayXXXVII 2,500]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

I would LOVE for MAGA nation to get this fact too.  

Never met anyone who didn't.

[Fnord 2,135]

22 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Except "woke" does not mean "accept". Not even close.  

You can fool yourself with that nonsense, but you would only be fooling yourself.

Why don't you explain it to me then.

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

Depends on the issue doesn’t it? On social issues (abortion, gay rights, trans rights, African-American issues, etc.) I suppose I’m pretty extreme compared to many other people. On immigration issues I’m extreme (though not leftist; my views on that stem from libertarianism.) 

But traditionally when one is described as liberal or conservative, the main concerns at play are economic: should government have more control on business or less? Should there be some sort of redistribution of wealth? Should taxes be lower in general or higher? Etc, On these issues I find myself in the center most times. 

[Cdub100 3,871]

Meeting of the geek board moderates. 

 

[Voltaire 5,276]

On 1/10/2024 at 7:17 PM, Cdub100 said:

Meeting of the geek board moderates. 

 

Focking Bizzarro world. It makes my skin crawl watching this clip. I cannot fathom how a community of brainwashed turds like this comes into existence. 

Humanoids with a brain virus like this are able to vote for president in this country just like everybody else. Please, dear God, never leave California. Just stay there.  I'd much rather hang out with Pentecostals flopping around on the floor speaking in tongues, thanks.

 

[listen2me 23 1,840]

10 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Meeting of the geek board moderates. 

 

Lol

[BeachGuy23 642]

25 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Focking Bizzarro world. It makes my skin crawl watching this clip. I cannot fathom how a community of brainwashed turds like this comes into existence. 

Humanoids with a brain virus like this are able to vote for president in this country just like everybody else. Please, dear God, never leave California. Just stay there.  I'd much rather hang out with Pentecostals flopping around on the floor speaking in tongues, thanks.

 

You do understand that these liberal whack jobs are few in number and don't anyway represent a significant proportion of democrats right?  Anymore than the tons of clips of Trump supporters  you can find who proclaim he was sent here by god.  Should we judge all republicans based on the alt right's most bizarre fringe?

I should think not. 

[Reality 3,121]

4 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You do understand that these liberal whack jobs are few in number and don't anyway represent a significant proportion of democrats right?  Anymore than the tons of clips of Trump supporters  you can find who proclaim he was sent here by god.  Should we judge all republicans based on the alt right's most bizarre fringe?

I should think not. 

So, when you switch users and post, is it because you're using different devices or are you feverishly logging in and out? 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, Reality said:

So, when you switch users and post, is it because you're using different devices or are you feverishly logging in and out? 

 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

39 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Focking Bizzarro world. It makes my skin crawl watching this clip. I cannot fathom how a community of brainwashed turds like this comes into existence. 

Humanoids with a brain virus like this are able to vote for president in this country just like everybody else. Please, dear God, never leave California. Just stay there.  I'd much rather hang out with Pentecostals flopping around on the floor speaking in tongues, thanks.

 

You do understand that these are Trump supporters, right?

https://therevealer.org/pentecostals-political-warfare/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/03/21/the-christian-sect-that-has-always-cheered-on-donald-trump/

[Hardcore troubadour 15,134]

11 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Meeting of the geek board moderates. 

 

The base of the Democratic Party. All of them are in favor of mutilating children too. 

[Dizkneelande 1,093]

42 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You do understand that these liberal whack jobs are few in number and don't anyway represent a significant proportion of democrats right?  Anymore than the tons of clips of Trump supporters  you can find who proclaim he was sent here by god.  Should we judge all republicans based on the alt right's most bizarre fringe?

I should think not. 

You vote for the same people dummy