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https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/undocumented-immigrant-thread.773257/post-21973863 timschochet: "I agree that living in this country is a privilege. I agree that those who live here are asked to follow laws. As it turns out, undocumented people usually follow the laws better than do our native born citizens. They are more deserving of the privilege of staying than most people who are born here." https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/more-terrorism-in-france-or-something-else.744497/post-19237805 timschochet: "I think reasonable people will oppose deportation and internment. I think reasonable people won't even discuss such "solutions" and shun those who do." https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don%E2%80%99t-call-undocumented-people-%E2%80%9Cillegal-immigrants%E2%80%9D.796358/post-23373480 timschochet: "Sometimes, in fact quite often, political correctness, or “cancel culture”, can be a very good thing. I would like to cancel the term “illegal immigrants”. Here is my argument: In a free society, a person cannot be illegal; only an act is illegal. It’s true that we sometimes refer to a person who has committed a serious crime as a felon (meaning one who has committed a felony.) But the act of not having proper papers, or crossing the border illegally, or staying here beyond one’s visa: NONE of these acts are felonies. They are all misdemeanors. By referring to an undocumented person as an “illegal” we are dehumanizing them, making them non-persons in our society. I do not believe this is deliberate for most people who use this term; they do so without really considering the effects of what they’re saying . Which is why I do not, at the present time, condemn anyone for using the term “illegal”. But I would like to reach a time when everyone recognizes that it’s offensive, and then we CAN condemn those who use it." https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/what-should-we-do-about-illegal-immigration.804004/post-23996606 timschochet: "I have, for the record, always been opposed to minimum wage." https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don%E2%80%99t-call-undocumented-people-%E2%80%9Cillegal-immigrants%E2%80%9D.796358/post-23374644 timschochet: "Depends on the job. Sometimes it probably works out to under minimum wage; sometimes over. The whole point of independent contractor work is that you don’t worry about it. I pay for convenience and availability." https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don%E2%80%99t-call-undocumented-people-%E2%80%9Cillegal-immigrants%E2%80%9D.796358/post-23375932 Doc Holliday: "So, we shouldn’t use the term Illegal Immigrants for people that enter the country illegally. It is ok, however, to take advantage of their desperation to eat and take care of their families by hiring them for as little money as possible and without paying into health insurance, work comp, or unemployment. At least we now know why Tim feels bad for the illegals. He is using them and profiting nicely. To make yourself feel better Tim, you should take a bunch of illegals into your home. " https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don%E2%80%99t-call-undocumented-people-%E2%80%9Cillegal-immigrants%E2%80%9D.796358/post-23375464 timschochet: "But I’m still not convinced that I am doing anything morally, ethically wrong in my transactions with day laborers. Quite the opposite." https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don’t-call-undocumented-people-“illegal-immigrants”.796358/post-23375541 Ditkaless Wonders: "Where, do you suppose, that couch ends up? At a licensed disposal site or at someone else's shopping center or alleyway? You are paying folks you know to be in the country illegally to perform work which will result in a crime being committed, illegal dumping. Yes, I get that you can hide behind semantics and say you don't know these things for sure, but you know it, you just refuse to admit what you know in your heart to be so." https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don’t-call-undocumented-people-“illegal-immigrants”.796358/post-23375649 timschochet: "Actually your post goes to the original point of my thread. I hold that staying in this country without papers is not a serious crime. It IS, however, a crime. But as you correctly point out, most of us break some sort of law several times a year. You may not hire undocumented people (that you’re aware of,) but you probably drive over the speed limit and do hundreds of things that are technically against some law or too. Should I therefore refer to you, and myself, and everyone reading this as “illegal”? Now I’m sure someone will respond that the term specifically refers to immigration. But I would counter, ask a Native American. He or she might respond, with great legitimacy, that we are ALL illegal immigrants."

No. You were. You made it sound like it was about all Palestinians in the U.S. Not even close. Eat crow b!tch. Also, you're wrong and really stupid with almost every post you make here for over a decade.

Today is Veterans' Day 2023. It's my first one stateside in 22 years. This morning, a brisk but pleasant Michigan November, I went to my youngest daughter's elementary school because the school invited veterans for a special event. During the Gulf War, my sister had been in elementary school herself, now her and my wife were parent volunteers. A good fifty or so veterans showed up, all of us were given thank you cards and a paper poppy, my card was from Adelyn- no last name or grade. My coat is unzipped because the weather is decent and I stick the poppy into the least bad place I can, my shirt pocket where it sits rather awkwardly. We all sat in a folding chair and the kids came outside, the K and 1st graders to our left, the 2nd and 3rd graders to the right, the 4th and 5th grades straight in front. For me a niece to the left and another to the right with my daughter straight ahead, but hard to see because she was standing behind a boy bigger then her. The principal at the High School my two older kids attend is there too, his daughter and mine are classmates, and today I learned that he's a Navy vet. The principal made a brief statement, remembering the dead, so I thought of the eight names that needed remembering although none that I knew in life: two guys Jeff Middleton of Kansas and Robert Talley of New Jersey, the two guys who'd died when this BS friendly fire story occurred. We'd go on to lose six more that would die in actual combat: Anthony Kidd, David Crumby, Manuel Davila, David Kramer, Tony Applegate, and James Murray, They had been in my brigade (2nd Armor Division (Forward) out of Garlstedt Germany. Seven of our death were from 1/41. the other, Murray, from 3/66, was also a friendly fire. I was in B Co. 498th Support where we'd lost no one.) The principal invited the music teacher out, and we were treated to a patriotic song and dance performance from each class. It lasted about a half hour or so, my wife was armed with her phone's camera taking photos. When it was done, kids who knew a veteran were invited to stick around a bit longer, the rest would file into the school, so my 3rd grade niece runs up, my daughter comes forward, my kindergarten niece oblivious does not, she walks right back past us and returns into the gym with her class. As we line up to enter the gym as well, I learned that the 5th graders made the paper poppies in art class and that there are a few Adelyns at this school. We entered the gym and there were eight moms volunteering passing out coffee, tea, juice fruit, and donuts... the last two being my sister and wife at the donut station. We gather our goodies and when we get to the end of the line, my sister is upset that only 2/3 of the children are present, and so dispatches her elder daughter to go retrieve the younger one. I take my strawberry donut, orange and both a coffee and apple juice and go sit down with my daughter while my niece puts her stuff down and runs off to gather her sister who comes back and cuts to the front of the line and joins us. She asks about the flower and I begin to tell her it's a poppy and about a great WWI battle that took place in a poppy field in Belgium and how... but she lost interest, so I struck up a conversation with the Vietnam grandpa sitting across from me instead, a man who walks with a cane and takes great effort to stand up. So things wound down, the kids returned to class, there's a large quantity of extra donuts so I get an apple fritter this time. The volunteers have switched gears to cleanup mode. Soon thereafter the gym is turned over to the school staff so they can get started on lunch and we were out of there. Anyway, I wanted to share my Veterans Day experience with you guys on behalf of the Middleton, Talley, Kidd, Crumbly, Davila, Kramer, Applegate, and Murray families. 32 years gone now. In their sacrifice, this is the sort of things they miss: kids, grandkids, song and dance performances, conversations with other veterans, handmade cards and paper poppies, coffee, and donuts. We've got wars waging in Ukraine and Israel right now, lots of other families are going to feel it, but these eight are mine.

Really like the Andrews play. TIA

Thanks to all the vets. Condolences to those who lost their careers to the coovid injection.

I'm glad you had a good day Voltaire. You deserved it and thank-you for your service. A lot of my family served, including myself. Many made a career out of it. My grandfather was an officer with Carlson's Raiders during WW2. It was the only time the Marine's had a special unit. My father went to the USAFA and later taught there. I spent a good portion of my childhood there. One of my father's favorite things was Air Force football. If Air Force was in a bowl game, he was there with some classmates. I was fortunate to accompany him on a few trips to watch AF football.

Jamel Dean (concussion) and Carlton Davis (toe) are questionable to play in the game. In addition, rookie defensive back Josh Hayes has also been ruled out due to a concussion. They elevated a cb from the practice squad. They are about to be torched by levis.

Total matchup team. I hated them vs PIT, but like them vs TB secondary

Dog sh1t week for props. I'll take a look at the late games tomorrow and post.

agreed.

To see Captain Bone Spurs depicted as a soldier is appalling.

The difference is the motivation. Palestinians don't want a two-state solution because they want Israel eliminate. Israelis don't believe it can work because 75 years of Palestinian terrorist history makes them skeptical. Israel abandon Gaza in 2005, how did that work out? Palestinians elected Hamas, and hilarity ensued.

It would be great if Tim asked his make believe Palestinian friend what his thoughts on the lgbtq+ community are.

The article I linked quotes Trump. And here is another one where his chief of staff confirms he said it. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/03/us/politics/john-kelly-trump-veterans.html

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true. Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

And on brand for HT, a true douche bag.

he throws bricks! but can't catch them.

I’ve lived in Philly for 30 years and seen poop on the streets exactly two times. both times it was mine.

Would you play Dak P vs Giants over Burrows? (sorry for hyjacking the thread)

Happy Veterans Day to all geeks and/or their family/friends who have served

Thanks for sharing, Volty. I've got my flag hanging out front in support of you and all of our vets.

Sure, Tim. Sure you didn't.

Happy Veterans Day and a tip of the cap to all the Geek vets here. Thanks

Does he know you’re of the Jewish faith? Be careful he’s more apt to stick an ice pick in your neck before you could say jack robinson than to shake your hand

Nice job, thanks for sharing.