Baltimore Police Warn of 'Credible Threat' to 'Take-Out' Law Enforcement Officers...

[BunnysBastatrds 1,921]

As someone who rides in a parade that is the sh!t, Endymion, and there are only five thousand cops to watch over a half million spectators, every police department needs to learn crowd control from us. You never let the crowd control any situation.

 

You take command and let them know who's in charge. Ultimate phail by any department who allows a crowd to run the show and overtake the police.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

As someone who rides in a parade that is the sh!t, Endymion, and there are only five thousand cops to watch over a half million spectators, every police department needs to learn crowd control from us. You never let the crowd control any situation.

 

You take command and let them know who's in charge. Ultimate phail by any department who allows a crowd to run the show and overtake the police.

 

 

Every police dept?

[naomi 343]

Worms, I saw your post.

 

Yes, I am assuming many/most of the youth that council member was talking about are living in households that receive welfare and likely subsidized housing. If you read what I was saying in a less reactive way, you would have realized the point wasn't decrying that. His point was that they're not being engaged, my point was wondering how he defines engagement.

 

No one in my household is receiving government assistance either.

 

It's not a racist assumption...race recognition doesn't motivate it, culture recognition does. By talking about them being super engaged on the government tit it wasn't actually a criticism of them in purpose of saying it. I'm more disturbed by the people who like the system to work out that way, want to see them sucking at it, because those people/planners don't tend to have liberty loving worldviews in general. And they're actually the ones who tend to assume that's ultimately what the recipients are made of, you just maintain your useless eaters and use your "fight" for their cause for your cause. It's not unchristian and not hateful if I have a different approach than you toward wanting the best for people in our society. It's just a different approach.

[BunnysBastatrds 1,921]

Every police dept?

Not all, but most. NYPD is one that knows their sh!t. They have ten times the man power plus that we have. And we don't have the precinct or central lock up volume that you have.

 

It's an impressive feat. The NOPD has taught many other city's how to deal with crowd control. Yours included.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

I am very impressed with the citizens of Baltimore. They took their city back. Well done.

[MDC 5,895]

I find it pretty strange that people are saying government largese is to blame for the riots rather than police brutality, a broken education system, widespread poverty, etc.

 

You think cutting off public welfare is going to stop riots? Well, that is a theory ...

[Baker Boy 1,485]

I find it pretty strange that people are saying government largese is to blame for the riots rather than police brutality, a broken education system, widespread poverty, etc.

You think cutting off public welfare is going to stop riots? Well, that is a theory ...

Police = government

Education = government

Poverty = The government is spending $1 Trillion a year on welfare that is a massive government fail.

 

What is your point?

[NewbieJr 540]

Poverty = The government is spending $1 Trillion a year on welfare that is a massive government fail.

 

What is your point?

It's not a total fail. Picture this country without it. You think the rioting and looting in Baltimore was bad? Imagine that every day in every major city.

 

Is your solution that they should get off their asses and get jobs? Seems to me, there's not even enough jobs for the people who actually want to work.

[MDC 5,895]

Police = government

Education = government

Poverty = The government is spending $1 Trillion a year on welfare that is a massive government fail.

 

What is your point?

My point is that people here are blaming handouts / government largese for causing riots in poverty strikes neighborhoods. Send to me you're one of those guys who only has a hammer so everything looks like a nail.

[IGotWorms 3,317]

Worms, I saw your post.

 

Yes, I am assuming many/most of the youth that council member was talking about are living in households that receive welfare and likely subsidized housing. If you read what I was saying in a less reactive way, you would have realized the point wasn't decrying that. His point was that they're not being engaged, my point was wondering how he defines engagement.

 

No one in my household is receiving government assistance either.

 

It's not a racist assumption...race recognition doesn't motivate it, culture recognition does. By talking about them being super engaged on the government tit it wasn't actually a criticism of them in purpose of saying it. I'm more disturbed by the people who like the system to work out that way, want to see them sucking at it, because those people/planners don't tend to have liberty loving worldviews in general. And they're actually the ones who tend to assume that's ultimately what the recipients are made of, you just maintain your useless eaters and use your "fight" for their cause for your cause. It's not unchristian and not hateful if I have a different approach than you toward wanting the best for people in our society. It's just a different approach.

I deleted my post because there's really no way to discuss this with you without attacking your beliefs. Suffice to say I find your view of certain persons uncharitable and unchristian.

 

But you are an ascetic and you want everyone else to be as well. I get it. Just seems to me like it isn't working out all that well for you.

[RLLD 3,455]

I find it pretty strange that people are saying government largese is to blame for the riots rather than police brutality, a broken education system, widespread poverty, etc.

 

You think cutting off public welfare is going to stop riots? Well, that is a theory ...

 

Locally government is the source of the problem, primarily for cutting.

 

Baltimore was always blue collar, and when industry packed up and left they became an impoverished city with pockets of wealth; this is in contract to nearby cities that are perhaps more affluent with pockets of poverty.

 

Multiple factors arise: lack of parenting, lack of access to sports or other activities, gradual elimination of community facilities, gradual degradation of educational services, and maybe the biggest thing is the war on drugs.

 

The police are given an impossible task in the city of Baltimore, and the dumbest thing is the constant arresting of young african men because of drugs. Once this happens they are closed off from any chance to improve their position because their job options evaporate.

 

So long as this insipid approach to drug enforcement remains in play there is a feedback loop where young african americans are doomed to poverty. If they cant get a good job what will they do/ Sell drugs, steal, resort to ongoing criminality.

[Bert 1,092]

 

Locally government is the source of the problem, primarily for cutting.

 

Baltimore was always blue collar, and when industry packed up and left they became an impoverished city with pockets of wealth; this is in contract to nearby cities that are perhaps more affluent with pockets of poverty.

 

Multiple factors arise: lack of parenting, lack of access to sports or other activities, gradual elimination of community facilities, gradual degradation of educational services, and maybe the biggest thing is the war on drugs.

 

The police are given an impossible task in the city of Baltimore, and the dumbest thing is the constant arresting of young african men because of drugs. Once this happens they are closed off from any chance to improve their position because their job options evaporate.

 

So long as this insipid approach to drug enforcement remains in play there is a feedback loop where young african americans are doomed to poverty. If they cant get a good job what will they do/ Sell drugs, steal, resort to ongoing criminality.

How about not doing drungs in the first place and you won't get arrested.

[RLLD 3,455]

How about not doing drungs in the first place and you won't get arrested.

 

Let's talk about that notion.

 

What do you estimate might have the more profound impact on society?

 

The hope that all of these people will simply stop doing drugs, or the idea of limiting drug-related arrests, and diminishing the amount of time that arrest remains on record and reportable to employers?

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

Let's talk about that notion.

 

What do you estimate might have the more profound impact on society?

 

The hope that all of these people will simply stop doing drugs, or the idea of limiting drug-related arrests, and diminishing the amount of time that arrest remains on record and reportable to employers?

 

You mean to tell me "just say no" doesn't work?

[RLLD 3,455]

 

You mean to tell me "just say no" doesn't work?

 

Unfortunately it does not.

 

Here is rub, we have seen this before with alcohol prohibition, lasted for about 12 years when the people of the time recognized their mistake and corrected it. The deaths and ongoing societal problems were also stark then.

 

But now....we have been pursuing this failed policy for so long, big business has crept up around it; companies that make money running jails, conducting drug testing etc. So NOW, trying to fix this is problematic because their money behind the effort to keep it going, so it has a stickiness to it.

 

How about rewarding the low level users for outing their sources, for entering rehab, and for pursuing employment. Dangle a carrot instead of punishing. If only to break the ongoing cycle of insanity

[Djgb13 2,338]

Isn't Sharpton supposed to coordinate a march today? I wonder if that will incite any rioters

[RLLD 3,455]

Isn't Sharpton supposed to coordinate a march today? I wonder if that will incite any rioters

 

Not likely. This is nothing more than an opportunity for him to substantiate his relevance. He is an exploiter who lives to use these instances as a means to earn a living, nothing more. He won't incite, and any attempt to hold him accountable for any consequences would be easily deflected just as those assigned to the rioters were.

[GobbleDog 816]

How about rewarding the low level users for outing their sources, for entering rehab, and for pursuing employment. Dangle a carrot instead of punishing. If only to break the ongoing cycle of insanity

 

Provide users with crack, heroin, and meth at a local clinic for free, under supervision of specialists.

 

Instantly puts every crack, heroin, and meth dealer out of business, along with any incentive to get anyone hooked. Prevents countless crimes (drug crimes, theft, murder, etc). Gives treatment to people who desperately need it. Saves billions/trillions in policing, court, prison costs. Twenty years later, no more crack, heroin or meth problem in America.

 

"Give away free drugs? No way!"

[Frank M 181]

It's not a total fail. Picture this country without it. You think the rioting and looting in Baltimore was bad? Imagine that every day in every major city.

 

 

 

Why do I imagine Arnold Scwarzenegger in a helicopter saying "Food riot in progress" when I read this?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

 

Provide users with crack, heroin, and meth at a local clinic for free, under supervision of specialists.

 

Instantly puts every crack, heroin, and meth dealer out of business, along with any incentive to get anyone hooked. Prevents countless crimes (drug crimes, theft, murder, etc). Gives treatment to people who desperately need it. Saves billions/trillions in policing, court, prison costs. Twenty years later, no more crack, heroin or meth problem in America.

 

China had a similar but quicker solution.

[RLLD 3,455]

This sucks for the people of Baltimore overall, and will have lasting negative consequences for a decade or more, but it will also move the conversation away from the inane racial association and into the proper realm of police training, doctrine and leadership.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

China had a similar but quicker solution.

 

 

Did it work?

[naomi 343]

I deleted my post because there's really no way to discuss this with you without attacking your beliefs. Suffice to say I find your view of certain persons uncharitable and unchristian.

 

But you are an ascetic and you want everyone else to be as well. I get it. Just seems to me like it isn't working out all that well for you.

 

You think in really black and white terms on some things. How can you say my view is uncharitable and unchristian when you don't know what it is?

 

Do you find anything ironic about getting on me in an offensive way because you rashly interpret a bigoted viewpoint?

 

I already said welfare has its place. To be specific, government assistance that helps someone or a family not be out on the street and not starving is worthwhile and something a basically compassionate and responsible society is going to connect with.

 

Am I assuming most of the youth (somewhat loosely using that term because the council member was in the first place) he was talking about (the rioters) are on entitlements? Absolutely. Are you prepared to say they're not or you can't assume that because it's politically incorrect or racist? There are communities of white people you'll be fairly safe in making that call with. It's not a skin color thing. Should they be cut off from government assistance except to an "ascetic" point? Nope, wasn't even necessarily advocating that.

 

The city council member said they're marginalized and have not been engaged. I guarantee you there's a litany of policy and programs especially targeting them. If he's going to say that's not actually engagement, he and I would actually agree. That's why I would like to hear him define engagement. I want to see them do well too. Who wouldn't? Lack of accountability with entitlements serves marginalization...the expectation isn't that you're simply taking some help to rise above or manage adversity, you're learning the craft of subsisting off the system...which is seriously a craft (some people approach it with enough energy it's like a part-time job), and can especially be so depending on local policies. I know enough people who have direct (bureaucratic and administrative) experience of this everyday. I've been around people who exploit the system, and my job gives me some concrete insight on one facet of entitlements as well.

 

Some of the biggest proponents of charity assistance are people with worldviews that don't support having a huge welfare state. Think a little deeper before you throw words like "hate" out there.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Did it work?

Zero recidivism.

[BunnysBastatrds 1,921]

Seems to me, there's not even enough jobs for the people who actually want to work.

 

 

No kidding. Makes you wonder why they are allowing all those millions of illegal aliens to come in when we don't have enough jobs for those here legally.

[tanatastic 2,061]

 

Why do I imagine Arnold Scwarzenegger in a helicopter saying "Food riot in progress" when I read this?

If only we had the butcher of Baltimore to shoot up the entire crowd.

[naomi 343]

 

Can't say I'm surprised, but still, wow. I would have lost it if I were her.

 

Baltimore Mayor this morning:

 

“I wanted to say something that was on my heart … We don’t have thugs in Baltimore. Sometimes my little anger interpreter gets the best of me,” she said, pointing to her head. “We have a lot of kids that are acting out, a lot of people in our community that are acting out.”

 

 

 

The president of the Baltimore City Council, Jack Young, also apologized to rioters Tuesday for calling them “thugs.”

Standing side-by-side with avowed gang members at a press conference Tuesday, he called the rioter “misdirected” youths. He also retracted claims that gang members were targeting police.

Not seeing any updates on the condition of the guy beaten and stomped. How a different guy almost beaten to death is doing.

 

The big picture take away from the situation is "disenfranchised youth venting their frustration and anger." The attempted murders and possible murders aren't really worth societal introspection.

 

Since this train of thought will ping on narrow minded radar...my take on what I heard about Freddie Gray...severed spine, dragged while in intense pain, and not seen by any medical personnel until 50 minutes after being detained - that is objectively incredibly messed up too.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

 

 

No kidding. Makes you wonder why they are allowing all those millions of illegal aliens to come in when we don't have enough jobs for those here legally.

 

 

Go to HBO and watch the show Vice, and the segment "sweet home Alabama". It was on this past Friday.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

BALTIMORE A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray banging against the walls of the vehicle and believed that he was intentionally trying to injure himself, according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

[MDC 5,895]

BALTIMORE A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray banging against the walls of the vehicle and believed that he was intentionally trying to injure himself, according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

He must have broke his own spine.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

He must have broke his own spine.

Where exactly was his spine broke? I don't know.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

How long will it take for you people to figure out that the purposes of all the drummed up hate toward the Police is the Progressive Movement's goal to Federalize our Police Forces? Once you take that as a given everything else makes sense unless you really believe our leaders are this stupid and incompetent.

[Sho Nuff 719]

How long will it take for you people to figure out that the purposes of all the drummed up hate toward the Police is the Progressive Movement's goal to Federalize our Police Forces? Once you take that as a given everything else makes sense unless you really believe our leaders are this stupid and incompetent.

 

Yes...the liberals want cops to snap black guy's spines so they can federalize the police.

 

How long will it take for the black helicopters to land by your place?

 

BTW...many of our leaders are stupid and incompetent.

[MDC 5,895]

How long will it take for you people to figure out that the purposes of all the drummed up hate toward the Police is the Progressive Movement's goal to Federalize our Police Forces? Once you take that as a given everything else makes sense unless you really believe our leaders are this stupid and incompetent.

[BunnysBastatrds 1,921]

Where exactly was his spine broke? I don't know.

There's a report coming out that he was in an accident the week before. They're saying he had a neck injury and he didn't take it seriously.

 

Doesn't exonerate the cops. But it might bring light to the situation as to why his injuries were as bad as they were.

 

You've handled liability cases. We'll soon see if it contributed.

[GobbleDog 816]

There's a report coming out that he was in an accident the week before. They're saying he had a neck injury and he didn't take it seriously.

 

How funny would it be if the guy really did snap his own spine in the cop van?

 

All that rioting because they wrongly stereotyped the cops! I love IRONY!

[gocolts 300]

There's a report coming out that he was in an accident the week before. They're saying he had a neck injury and he didn't take it seriously.

 

Doesn't exonerate the cops. But it might bring light to the situation as to why his injuries were as bad as they were.

 

You've handled liability cases. We'll soon see if it contributed.

Is that what it was??? I heard a few days ago he had some kind of back injury or some shtt prior to this as well. A little stunning this is the first time this has been mentioned in this thread actually.

[Djgb13 2,338]

Is that what it was??? I heard a few days ago he had some kind of back injury or some shtt prior to this as well. A little stunning this is the first time this has been mentioned in this thread actually.

That's cause it's more fun to bring politics into it

[BunnysBastatrds 1,921]

The majority of liability claims I've been a part of settle. Every once in a while they do not. This is one I'd love to see all the facts of and be privy too during the Grand Jury process.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

How long will it take for you people to figure out that the purposes of all the drummed up hate toward the Police is the Progressive Movement's goal to Federalize our Police Forces? Once you take that as a given everything else makes sense unless you really believe our leaders are this stupid and incompetent.

 

 

 

you give the Internet a bad name. Stop it.