Hawkeye21 2,406 Posted April 29, 2020 I heard last night that the neighboring county has been doing their COVID-19 tests wrong the whole time and that's why their numbers are so low. My county has about 20 times more cases than them. It hasn't made any sense other than they were screwing it up. I wonder if we will ever see data that is remotely close to being accurate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,998 Posted April 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I heard last night that the neighboring county has been doing their COVID-19 tests wrong the whole time and that's why their numbers are so low. My county has about 20 times more cases than them. It hasn't made any sense other than they were screwing it up. I wonder if we will ever see data that is remotely close to being accurate. I think that ship has sailed, unless we end up testing everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,087 Posted April 29, 2020 21 hours ago, KSB2424 said: I do not agree with this but understand the sentiment. The doctors are specialists in their profession but they have tunnel vision (as they should). What should happen is economists and doctors of infections disease work in tandem. Somehow we went from "flattening the curve" to every single life matters and we can't come out of our caves until a vaccine is here. It's nuts. Except for unborn babies as abortions are still taking place while I can't go to the dentist or an eye exam. Not to mention elective surgeries. It is nuts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,631 Posted April 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: Thanks for clarification. I think you went from letting communities decide for themselves to having each person or entity decide for themselves. If that is the case, I can’t get behind that. Half the population is dumb. I didn't do anything. I said let each community decide. Then you said: Quote Don’t pass the buck. What would you do? Who are you sheltering and who gets to roam free? Not everywhere, but in your little part of the world. I thought about just ignoring this post but gave you an honest answer of what I would do, with caveats. And, as expected, now you're moving the goalposts and saying I'm referring to what we should do as a society. I thought I made it pretty clear I was speaking for myself and not suggesting what policy should be. Given your other responses, I'm not surprised. Have a great day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,272 Posted April 29, 2020 2 hours ago, wiffleball said: Really pisses me off at the 'quarantine' - Every two hours, the majority of the 'guests' go out and smoke. I like beer, but my liver's falling out? I'm not wolfing down a 40 every two hours. God, I hate smokers. And now,, they'e unecessarily taking up finite and valuable medical time and resources. I can't take a GD deep breath without a 15 minute yack til I pass out-fest. - And never smoked. THese morons? Did it to themselves - and KEEP doing it. Oh, and did I mention the cigarettes are free? Fock you people - and die - literally. I was glad to see different plants that I work in crack down on smoking. It was also music to my ears to hear how bullshit those rules were. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 29, 2020 2 hours ago, wiffleball said: Really pisses me off at the 'quarantine' - Every two hours, the majority of the 'guests' go out and smoke. I like beer, but my liver's falling out? I'm not wolfing down a 40 every two hours. God, I hate smokers. And now,, they'e unecessarily taking up finite and valuable medical time and resources. I can't take a GD deep breath without a 15 minute yack til I pass out-fest. - And never smoked. THese morons? Did it to themselves - and KEEP doing it. Oh, and did I mention the cigarettes are free? Fock you people - and die - literally. Where are you? In a hospital ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted April 29, 2020 54 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I heard last night that the neighboring county has been doing their COVID-19 tests wrong the whole time and that's why their numbers are so low. My county has about 20 times more cases than them. It hasn't made any sense other than they were screwing it up. I wonder if we will ever see data that is remotely close to being accurate. This is huge, how about a link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,631 Posted April 29, 2020 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-29/gilead-remdesivir-trial-for-covid-19-has-met-primary-endpoint Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted April 29, 2020 Regarding doing the Cvid tests wrong: The odds are really really really good. The tech is required to take a six inch probe and snake it to - six inches into your head. Then twist ten times (don't ask me why), then somehow, pull out the snotula without losing it, then handle, contain, store and route it correctly. AH, and BTW, try not to hit the gray areas that control you know - nuero function. - And that's before any testing begins. And they've never done this before. And it's not a doctor doing it. IT's a tech. And I've seen the diagram of how its supposed to be obtained. I'll guarantee you I didn't go through that. And that' just the quick and easy PCR swab test. I'm telling you guys, testing is a MF'ing joke. - And our entire national strategy is based upon testing numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted April 29, 2020 56 minutes ago, KSB2424 said: Where are you? In a hospital ? I'm currently volunteering at the Quarantine unit for the homeless. - Because I'm a PEOPLE PERSON GD it! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted April 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, wiffleball said: Regarding doing the Cvid tests wrong: The odds are really really really good. The tech is required to take a six inch probe and snake it to - six inches into your head. Then twist ten times (don't ask me why), then somehow, pull out the snotula without losing it, then handle, contain, store and route it correctly. AH, and BTW, try not to hit the gray areas that control you know - nuero function. - And that's before any testing begins. And they've never done this before. And it's not a doctor doing it. IT's a tech. And I've seen the diagram of how its supposed to be obtained. I'll guarantee you I didn't go through that. And that' just the quick and easy PCR swab test. I'm telling you guys, testing is a MF'ing joke. - And our entire national strategy is based upon testing numbers. That swab test sounds like the influenza test I took last year. It certainly felt like they were trying to give me a lobotomy. G0ddamn I was surprised at how far she shoved that thing up my nose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted April 29, 2020 Just now, DonS said: That swab test sounds like the influenza test I took last year. It certainly felt like they were trying to give me a lobotomy. G0ddamn I was surprised at how far she shoved that thing up my nose. Like I said in another thread , JFK had a less intrusive head shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,631 Posted April 29, 2020 Not gonna lie. I've always had a little bit of a man crush on Elon Musk. Brilliant man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,877 Posted April 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: Ummm, I think that has been the point all along. You call you PCP, they ask you some questions and, depending on your history, they tell you to stay home and quarantine for 2 weeks. Eventually you may get a test, but we don’t have enough tests or results fast enough to cover the people even on the front lines who would be in these businesses that want to open up. Sorry but I still think it is a red herring. Help me to understand what this increased testing provides? In a perfect world we would have 10s of billions of tests available, for free of course. In which case I can test myself as I leave the house every day, or get tested as I enter a building (much like the Chinese taking temps everywhere, which we COULD do, but don't). In the absence of that level of testing, which will never happen, that takes us to... ... causal testing. This is what I was talking about in our recent exchange. Are there significant shortages for people exhibiting significant COVID symptoms? If so... ... who cares. Stay. The. Fock. Home. This is not rocket surgery. Let me ask a different way: what exact testing scenario do you think is required before we open up the economy, and why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted April 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Sorry but I still think it is a red herring. Help me to understand what this increased testing provides? In a perfect world we would have 10s of billions of tests available, for free of course. In which case I can test myself as I leave the house every day, or get tested as I enter a building (much like the Chinese taking temps everywhere, which we COULD do, but don't). In the absence of that level of testing, which will never happen, that takes us to... ... causal testing. This is what I was talking about in our recent exchange. Are there significant shortages for people exhibiting significant COVID symptoms? If so... ... who cares. Stay. The. Fock. Home. This is not rocket surgery. Let me ask a different way: what exact testing scenario do you think is required before we open up the economy, and why? Based on what doctors have indicated (see the "Scientists to Stop COVID-19" document I referenced before) testing is a key component to opening up. Remember, a significant number of people who are asymptomatic are carriers of the disease. We need to test people multiple times to help keep those infected away from those who aren't. The info below is from that document. It is technical, but I know that you can handle that. Quote Frequent Testing for Virus Several methods, including PCR, can detect viral RNA in specimens collected from individuals. The sampling and analysis procedures for PCR tests, however, yield a significant false-negative rate, which means that relying on only a single PCR test for each individual may be insufficient. For example, in the case of tests performed on close-contact cohorts, throat-swab PCR was found to have a false-negative rate of 28.7% after one sample, reduced to 7.8% with a second sample at a later time. Another study found that China’s national PCR test had a false-negative rate of 34%.8 Note that the sensitivities of PCR tests for asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic cohorts have not been separately established. The steps described below, coupled with the certification of symptoms described above, will provide the data needed to establish these sensitivities. Nasopharyngeal or throat-swab PCR sampling is too invasive and demanding for regular mass testing. As an alternative, we propose frequent—ideally, multiple times per week—virus testing of all people returning to school or businesses from samples collecting by having people spit into barcoded tubes. In one study of SARS-CoV-2 PCR tests, professionally collected saliva samples were found to be slightly more sensitive than traditional nasopharyngeal swabs.9 Another study found that various patient-collected saliva samples were nearly as effective as professionally collected swabs—94% as effective for non- invasive shallow-nasal swab, 90% as effective for tongue swabs.10 Several studies have found a high-rate of discordance between nasal and saliva samples, suggesting two-location sampling would reduce false negatives but with a higher sample-collection burden.10,11 These data suggest the probability of a single PCR test detecting a typical symptomatic person is better than 65% for spitting into a tube, or 88% with an added shallow-nasal swab. In addition, increasing the number of PCR cycles performed can also increase the sensitivity of PCR testing, at the expense of a higher false positive rate.8 However, “weak positives”— those with Ct values high enough that they would not have been detected with a standard PCR test thresholds—can be re-tested immediately the next day before work, requiring only a one-day quarantine (or less) while the follow-up test is processed. PCR primer sets that amplify endogenous human RNAs known to occur in saliva12 can be used as positive controls to authenticate sample collection and testing procedures. From a practical perspective, samples for mass virus testing should ideally be collected at the end of the workday, processed overnight, and reported to individuals before they decide to come to work or school the next morning. Positive virus tests result in immediate quarantine, contact tracing, and quarantine of close contacts, ideally in coordination with state and local public health officials if governments succeed in establishing urgently needed contact tracing infrastructure. For the many employers and schools that will not be able to establish such a sample collection and testing capability, governments should facilitate the ability of drug stores, flu-shot clinics, and other local point-of-care facilities to perform standardized virus tests. Assuming a major testing center can process approximately 100,000 tests per week, it will take the capacity of approximately 3,000 such centers, or the equivalent from a combination of larger centers and smaller facilities, to test every person in the U.S. once per week. This requirement seems currently achievable, and as testing technologies continue to improve, will become easier to realize. For many states, significant changes to current healthcare systems will be required to enable largescale virus testing. Due to limited past testing capacity, strict criteria for COVID-19 testing have been imposed. Current protocol in many states allows only symptomatic individuals to be tested, requires that orders for testing come from a physician or healthcare worker, and requires that tests are administered by a healthcare professional. Such policies are incompatible with large-scale testing, and have contributed to our inability to estimate asymptomatic individuals, those with mild symptoms, or those who do not seek care—all of whom are capable of transmitting the virus. To reopen our society and to keep it open, virus testing must be dramatically expanded to include these critical segments of the population. Because healthcare systems have limited capacity to provide expanded testing while also caring for ill people, requirements for ordering and administering virus tests must be substantially relaxed so that testing of asymptomatic citizens can be greatly expanded and decentralized. To this end, we recommend that states immediately initiate with federal support pilot virus testing projects—for example, ~100,000 total virus tests—that will inform how to best deploy millions of tests when supplies and infrastructure become available. These pilot projects will also facilitate workplaces and schools eventually performing their own asymptomatic testing of workers and students. Business or school officials can be trained and certified at qualified institutions and laboratories to administer nasal, throat, or saliva sample collection. Processing of collected samples can occur at the point of collection if possible, or at local point-of-care facilities supported by state and federal governments. These pilot projects should take place in diverse communities, including densely and sparsely populated areas, to inform appropriate testing frequencies in different regions. A protocol must be established to report results from these many new testing locations to tested individuals, departments of health, and healthcare facilities. Timely reporting to state departments of health will be essential for contact tracing and quarantine measures. Supply-chain issues, including shortages of virus testing kits and reagents, must be addressed with dramatically increased federal government support. We appreciate that this second component of our proposal is a major undertaking, but we anticipate that frequent virus testing of all people returning to work and school is the key ingredient to restarting our society and rescuing our economy while minimizing the chance of new outbreaks that force future shutdowns and cause additional loss of life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 29, 2020 I know one thing, I ain't living in a world where I have to take a test every day to go to work or outside. That's some communist B.S. right there. That's some 1984 type stuff. Y'all mofo's are crazy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted April 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Strike said: Not gonna lie. I've always had a little bit of a man crush on Elon Musk. Brilliant man. Did you read it? Maybe not, because: 1. Musk did not write it. It is just pointing to an opinion article by the CEO of a semiconductor company 2. He is pushing this agenda just ahead of Tesla's earnings call later today, so he has an agenda. 3. Isn't he the same guy that tweeted this (back in mid March he said that we would not have hardly any new COVID cases in April)? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960?s=20 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,877 Posted April 29, 2020 49 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: From a practical perspective, samples for mass virus testing should ideally be collected at the end of the workday, processed overnight, and reported to individuals before they decide to come to work or school the next morning. Positive virus tests result in immediate quarantine, contact tracing, and quarantine of close contacts, ideally in coordination with state and local public health officials if governments succeed in establishing urgently needed contact tracing infrastructure. I could have quoted the entire last two paragraphs but... basically option 1, the Unicorn plan which will never happen. Funny that they start with the word "practical," because this proposal is anything but practical. This is the "absolutely nobody can ever get this" plan, the "we never build up herd immunity" plan. It presumes a morbidity which just doesn't justify it, I'm sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted April 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, jerryskids said: I could have quoted the entire last two paragraphs but... basically option 1, the Unicorn plan which will never happen. Funny that they start with the word "practical," because this proposal is anything but practical. This is the "absolutely nobody can ever get this" plan, the "we never build up herd immunity" plan. It presumes a morbidity which just doesn't justify it, I'm sorry. Why is it not practical? Is it because we don't have the testing capacity or is it because we don't want to do it or something else? I know that I am on a call right now where we are talking these sorts of things about job sites in various states and this will be driving much of the discussion. Even if we open all business, it doesn't mean that people will behave the same way as before until certain things are in place and the testing may be part of that. It has certainly been pounded into people's heads, so it will be a big hurdle if we don't have it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,877 Posted April 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: Why is it not practical? Is it because we don't have the testing capacity or is it because we don't want to do it or something else? I know that I am on a call right now where we are talking these sorts of things about job sites in various states and this will be driving much of the discussion. Even if we open all business, it doesn't mean that people will behave the same way as before until certain things are in place and the testing may be part of that. It has certainly been pounded into people's heads, so it will be a big hurdle if we don't have it. Read the entire paragraph I quoted, even unicorns would call it a unicorn. It starts with a premise of testing everyone everyday as they leave work, getting results overnight, and quarantining people by morning. Other than the tests, the capacity to process them, and the infrastructure to communicate said results, it's a great plan$#@! Later they say if companies can't do it the government should put in a ginormous infrastructure, that should be quick. Then they move the goalposts to testing once per week. Here, read this: Quote Assuming a major testing center can process approximately 100,000 tests per week, it will take the capacity of approximately 3,000 such centers, or the equivalent from a combination of larger centers and smaller facilities, to test every person in the U.S. once per week. This requirement seems currently achievable, and as testing technologies continue to improve, will become easier to realize. For many states, significant changes to current healthcare systems will be required to enable largescale virus testing This seems "currently achievable?" To what person in the real world? Oh but yeah, many states will need to shiotcan their current healthcare systems to make this work, that should happen by Friday. There is more I can say but I'll leave it there for now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KayJay1971 239 Posted April 29, 2020 5 hours ago, wiffleball said: Really pisses me off at the 'quarantine' - Every two hours, the majority of the 'guests' go out and smoke. I like beer, but my liver's falling out? I'm not wolfing down a 40 every two hours. God, I hate smokers. And now,, they'e unecessarily taking up finite and valuable medical time and resources. I can't take a GD deep breath without a 15 minute yack til I pass out-fest. - And never smoked. THese morons? Did it to themselves - and KEEP doing it. Oh, and did I mention the cigarettes are free? Fock you people - and die - literally. Where do you work? Not sure who the "guests" are that you are referring to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted April 29, 2020 At this point I’d think the data is just being made up or reported according to the highest bidder for (pick an agenda). There’s just no way to organize testing and results on this grand of a scale and expect it to be valid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted April 29, 2020 32 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Read the entire paragraph I quoted, even unicorns would call it a unicorn. It starts with a premise of testing everyone everyday as they leave work, getting results overnight, and quarantining people by morning. Other than the tests, the capacity to process them, and the infrastructure to communicate said results, it's a great plan$#@! Later they say if companies can't do it the government should put in a ginormous infrastructure, that should be quick. Then they move the goalposts to testing once per week. Here, read this: This seems "currently achievable?" To what person in the real world? Oh but yeah, many states will need to shiotcan their current healthcare systems to make this work, that should happen by Friday. There is more I can say but I'll leave it there for now. I think that the premise is that you do this for companies that are opening up and cannot have social distancing. It would not be for every company. Even our company is looking at doing portions that avoid the problem of testing altogether (people don't work close together at all). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted April 29, 2020 Whitmer is re-opening construction May 7. Details to follow Friday. Also wants to give free college to all people who've worked on the front lines during this crisis. Grocery store and food chain workers, healthcare workers, child care workers, etc. Also wants to give grants to child care service companies and allow workshare employees to continue to collect unemployment benefits thru July. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,877 Posted April 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: I think that the premise is that you do this for companies that are opening up and cannot have social distancing. It would not be for every company. Even our company is looking at doing portions that avoid the problem of testing altogether (people don't work close together at all). As we've agreed, there is sense to a phase-in plan. That being said, based on your link, companies which cannot have social distancing would never open up, because we will never have that level of testing availability or compliance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,406 Posted April 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Baker Boy said: This is huge, how about a link? No link. My wife was talking to another teacher who told her about it. It's basically a rumor but it's one that makes a lot of sense right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 29, 2020 160 Million American workers. That’d be 160 million tests done every day with the results back next morning. EVERY WORK DAY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 29, 2020 My local news station just put out a headline “Health Official says 50% of North Carolinians have underlying conditions that put them at high risk of dying from Covid-19” JFC. FEAR!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,624 Posted April 29, 2020 Woman Who Blamed Trump after Giving Her Husband Fish-Tank Cleaner Now Under Investigation for Murder https://www.nationalreview.com/news/woman-who-blamed-trump-after-giving-her-husband-fish-tank-cleaner-now-under-investigation-for-murder/ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,877 Posted April 29, 2020 1 hour ago, KSB2424 said: 160 Million American workers. That’d be 160 million tests done every day with the results back next morning. EVERY WORK DAY. I presume we need to test the school kids every day too. The kids, KSB$#@! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 360 Posted April 29, 2020 Let’s talk testing in general and specifically for those about to return to the working world. For a moment we’ll ignore the reports of bad tests and false positives. Tennessee is one of the first states poised to reopen. They’ve been giving free tests to anyone who wants one- weather you have symptoms or not. Not sure how this is helping. If you test negative now, does that qualify you to return to work next week? Can’t you technically contract the virus at any time? And you could have it for up to 14 days without showing symptoms? And I’ve heard this is a pretty nasty test that probes pretty deep into the sinus cavity, ie not pleasant. I believe employers will be required to do the head scan temperature deal daily for all employees. Does that adequately identify everyone who has recently become infected? I was hoping the test for antibodies would become available in mass quantities and it appears it is. Of course, as soon as it started becoming available the experts started saying evidence of antibodies does not guarantee immunity from future infections. Couple that with reports a good number of the antibodies tests are flawed, and this form of testing becomes pretty much meaningless. I don’t have the answer. Seems we will need to test negative for the virus prior to returning to the workplace, and then depend on forehead scanning AND relying on people to tag out and stay home when they don’t feel well. Is that pretty much the beat we have? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted April 29, 2020 I haven't been keeping up with this thread but I'm hoping the general consensus by now is that it's an overblown hoax and ya'll are defying the narrative. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 30, 2020 2 hours ago, jerryskids said: I presume we need to test the school kids every day too. The kids, KSB$#@! It's an asinine requirement. Here's the problem. Healthcare professionals are just that....they have tunnel vision on their expertise, and frankly they should, its what they are good at. A guy like Dr. Fauci is going to interpret data and give feedback on the *best* possible scenario to stop a virus in its track, 100%. It's a math problem and he is solving for X., in a vacuum. The rub is that large, 400 million people across all types of states, decisions aren't done in a vacuum. Other variables come into play NOT in that specific math problem. Also a sanity check needs to come into play, we don't live in Utopia. Scientists, Healthcare, Economists, all need to be on the "panel" to come to a consensus of thought. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted April 30, 2020 Jesus H Christ... Of course... https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/amp/?__twitter_impression=true The World Health Organization lauded Sweden as a “model” for battling the coronavirus as countries lift lockdowns — after the nation controversially refused restrictions. Dr. Mike Ryan, the WHO’s top emergencies expert, said Wednesday there are “lessons to be learned” from the Scandinavian nation, which has largely relied on citizens to self-regulate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted April 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Reality said: Jesus H Christ... Of course... https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/amp/?__twitter_impression=true The World Health Organization lauded Sweden as a “model” for battling the coronavirus as countries lift lockdowns — after the nation controversially refused restrictions. Dr. Mike Ryan, the WHO’s top emergencies expert, said Wednesday there are “lessons to be learned” from the Scandinavian nation, which has largely relied on citizens to self-regulate. Read something yesterday that disputed that Sweden is better off. It stated that the US death rate per capita is less than Sweden. Couldn’t find that, but this says similar: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-fatality-rate-how-sweden-compares-to-its-scandinavian-neighbors/amp/ One thing the Times neglects to report is that Sweden has a much higher fatality rate than its Scandiavian neighbors. Adjusted per capita, Sweden has a death rate more than six times higher than Norway and Finland. Compared to Denmark, Sweden’s death rate is three times higher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted April 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Reality said: Jesus H Christ... Of course... https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/amp/?__twitter_impression=true The World Health Organization lauded Sweden as a “model” for battling the coronavirus as countries lift lockdowns — after the nation controversially refused restrictions. Dr. Mike Ryan, the WHO’s top emergencies expert, said Wednesday there are “lessons to be learned” from the Scandinavian nation, which has largely relied on citizens to self-regulate. Did you see what happened in Sweden last night? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: Read something yesterday that disputed that Sweden is better off. It stated that the US death rate per capita is less than Sweden. Couldn’t find that, but this says similar: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-fatality-rate-how-sweden-compares-to-its-scandinavian-neighbors/amp/ One thing the Times neglects to report is that Sweden has a much higher fatality rate than its Scandiavian neighbors. Adjusted per capita, Sweden has a death rate more than six times higher than Norway and Finland. Compared to Denmark, Sweden’s death rate is three times higher. Yeah, I don't really care about that and it wasn't even remotely the point. I find it hilarious that WHO is now calling them the model that should be followed. Nobody knows what they are talking about when it comes to this thing, it's incredible how we blindly follow their advice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,519 Posted April 30, 2020 Does Sweden have a subway system that millions of people use every day? Apples to Meatballs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Does Sweden have a subway system that millions of people use every day? Apples to Meatballs. Well, it's a luge run. MUCH faster and cleaner. And damn few bums jerking off between stops. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted April 30, 2020 The numbers that get me: 30,300,000 requested unemployment since this started. 61,000 are dead. 497 people unemployed for every person that died. Crazy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites