Coronavirus - Doomsday

[lod001 1,344]

40 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

The cases are too new, it takes 3-4 weeks to kill.

Agreed but lets see how they do. I really wouldn't trust China to be able to provide adequate care. Hell, the Dr. that they themselves say 'ratted them out', died and he was a healthy 35 year old or so. Wither they killed him off or they suck at providing care.

I also would trust Iran's ability to deal with this. They are morons. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

13 minutes ago, Djgb13 said:

There’s facts and then theres newbiefacts

Kind of like pleather. 100% plastic leather.

[Cloaca du jour 2,151]

Alternative Facts?

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

13 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Agreed but lets see how they do. I really wouldn't trust China to be able to provide adequate care. Hell, the Dr. that they themselves say 'ratted them out', died and he was a healthy 35 year old or so. Wither they killed him off or they suck at providing care.

I also would trust Iran's ability to deal with this. They are morons. 

I posted with incorrect information before, it is not 3-4 weeks before you can determine mortality. The most recent WHO report says 2-8 weeks is the timeframe that people are passing away in. We are at least a month away from knowing South Korea's actual mortality rate since the infections did not take off there until a few weeks ago.

 

 

On the top of page 14 of a recently released WHO report:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

Using available preliminary data, the median time from onset to clinical recovery for mild cases is approximately 2 weeks and is 3-6 weeks for patients with severe or critical disease. Preliminary data suggests that the time period from onset to the development ofsevere disease, including hypoxia,is 1 week. Among patients who have died, the time from symptom onset to outcome ranges from2-8 weeks.

[drobeski 3,061]

22 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

I posted with incorrect information before, it is not 3-4 weeks before you can determine mortality. The most recent WHO report says 2-8 weeks is the timeframe that people are passing away in. We are at least a month away from knowing South Korea's actual mortality rate since the infections did not take off there until a few weeks ago.

 

 

On the top of page 14 of a recently released WHO report:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

Using available preliminary data, the median time from onset to clinical recovery for mild cases is approximately 2 weeks and is 3-6 weeks for patients with severe or critical disease. Preliminary data suggests that the time period from onset to the development ofsevere disease, including hypoxia,is 1 week. Among patients who have died, the time from symptom onset to outcome ranges from2-8 weeks.

Any stats on age based mortality rate for both influenza and this one ? 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

10 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Any stats on age based mortality rate for both influenza and this one ? 

 

Below are the commonly referenced numbers that can be found on many websites.

 

I do not have stats handy for the influenza breakdown by age, but it is different in that it also is deadly for the youngest and the oldest and much less deadly for the middle aged and young adult. Although this also depends on the strain.

 

 Age | Death Rate
---|----------
80+ years old  | 14.8%
70-79 years old  | 8.0%
60-69 years old  | 3.6%
50-59 years old | 1.3%
40-49 years old  | 0.4%
30-39 years old | 0.2%
20-29 years old  | 0.2%
10-19 years old  | 0.2%
0-9 years old   | None

Sex | Death Rate
---|----------
Male | 2.8%
Female | 1.7%

Pre-existing Condition | Death Rate
---|----------
Cardiovascular disease | 10.5%
Diabetes | 7.3%
Chronic respiratory disease | 6.3%
Hypertension | 6.0%
Cancer | 5.6%
no pre-existing conditions | 0.9%

[TimmySmith 2,782]

5 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

Below are the commonly referenced numbers that can be found on many websites.

 

I do not have stats handy for the influenza breakdown by age, but it is different in that it also is deadly for the youngest and the oldest and much less deadly for the middle aged and young adult. Although this also depends on the strain.

 

 Age | Death Rate
---|----------
80+ years old  | 14.8%
70-79 years old  | 8.0%
60-69 years old  | 3.6%
50-59 years old | 1.3%
40-49 years old  | 0.4%
30-39 years old | 0.2%
20-29 years old  | 0.2%
10-19 years old  | 0.2%
0-9 years old   | None

Sex | Death Rate
---|----------
Male | 2.8%
Female | 1.7%

Pre-existing Condition | Death Rate
---|----------
Cardiovascular disease | 10.5%
Diabetes | 7.3%
Chronic respiratory disease | 6.3%
Hypertension | 6.0%
Cancer | 5.6%
no pre-existing conditions | 0.9%

These are the China numbers, and we have no idea what they did with regard to early identification and treatment.  My guess is a vast majority of deaths were early onset.  We can see from their charts very clearly how things were drastically reduced after the first wave.  The 100x or 50x more deadly than the flu, is simply ridiculous for an intelligent person to claim.

[OldMaid 2,130]

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Friday that significant progress in battling the coronavirus could be achieved by quarantining Mike Pence.

Speaking to lawmakers on Capitol Hill, the C.D.C. director said that, given Pence’s record as a science denier who mishandled an AIDS outbreak while he was the governor of Indiana, an immediate quarantine of the Vice-President was “an essential first step.”

“Mike Pence should be sealed off in a secure area, where he will have no access to a phone or computer,” the director said. “That will go a long way toward containing the harm he might otherwise cause.”

The C.D.C. chief added that there were a number of places ideal for quarantining Pence, all of them in Antarctica.

Shortly after the C.D.C. director’s testimony, Pence forcefully took issue with the assessment. “The threat I pose to the nation has been wildly overstated, and I do not know how to use a computer,” he said.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

Not a chance in hell Newbie does anything of importance at work. Since he’s been back  here it’s all day, everyday. Plus he knows everything so he has to be doing research.  Lol.  Definitely the boss’ nephew or something.  I’m retired. That guy still has to earn.  

[The Observer 641]

5 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Friday that significant progress in battling the coronavirus could be achieved by quarantining Mike Pence.

Speaking to lawmakers on Capitol Hill, the C.D.C. director said that, given Pence’s record as a science denier who mishandled an AIDS outbreak while he was the governor of Indiana, an immediate quarantine of the Vice-President was “an essential first step.”

“Mike Pence should be sealed off in a secure area, where he will have no access to a phone or computer,” the director said. “That will go a long way toward containing the harm he might otherwise cause.”

The C.D.C. chief added that there were a number of places ideal for quarantining Pence, all of them in Antarctica.

Shortly after the C.D.C. director’s testimony, Pence forcefully took issue with the assessment. “The threat I pose to the nation has been wildly overstated, and I do not know how to use a computer,” he said.

Having Mike Pence lead a scientific inquiry is like having Chris Christie lead a Zumba class.

[The Observer 641]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Not a chance in hell Newbie does anything of importance at work. Since he’s been back  here it’s all day, everyday. Plus he knows everything so he has to be doing research.  Lol.  Definitely the boss’ nephew or something.  I’m retired. That guy still has to earn.  

You think these fries cook themselves?

[drobeski 3,061]

25 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Having Mike Pence lead a scientific inquiry is like having Chris Christie lead a Zumba class.

Your boss probably doesnt need to know how to grab parts from a shelf. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

32 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Your boss probably doesnt need to know how to grab parts from a shelf. 

You mean his uncle, right? 

[drobeski 3,061]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You mean his uncle, right? 

Definitely a nepotism kid. Hired because they have to. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,151]

I have to agree about Pence...he will try to pray it away...

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

2 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

These are the China numbers, and we have no idea what they did with regard to early identification and treatment.  My guess is a vast majority of deaths were early onset.  We can see from their charts very clearly how things were drastically reduced after the first wave.  The 100x or 50x more deadly than the flu, is simply ridiculous for an intelligent person to claim.

It is funny, I post how my opinion could be wrong and could change and the other side is posting how I would have to be unintelligent to have my opinion.

[The Observer 641]

2 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

It is funny, I post how my opinion could be wrong and could change and the other side is posting how I would have to be unintelligent to have my opinion.

Just keep being you buddy. That's never going to change. They want to silence the truth. Don't stop speaking it.

[Djgb13 2,339]

It’s Friday b1tches. Nows not the time to argue with a basement dwelling loser. Get you drink on

[Utilit99 4,099]

18 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Just keep being you buddy. That's never going to change. They want to silence the truth. Don't stop speaking it.

I don't want your words silenced. That would have two bad outcomes. One, noone would get to see how dumb the left is right here on this site, and two, the entertainment value of this site would reduce by 70%.

Keep up the good work pvssy. Don't pay any attention to truth and keep up what you are doing. Only helps conservative turnout at the polls.

GO newbie GO!!!

[Utilit99 4,099]

22 minutes ago, Djgb13 said:

It’s Friday b1tches. Nows not the time to argue with a basement dwelling loser. Get you drink on

Cheers dude.

[The Observer 641]

My girlfriend just got an email from her employer. She works for a huge hospital chain with 20,000 employees. Any employee who has been to Italy, Iran, Korea, or China recently is not to come into work Monday and must remain home for 14 days without pay.. At that time they will all be put through a battery of tests before being allowed to return. 

She doesn't have to worry for now. Although we are going to Greece in September. Of course, who knows by that time.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

1 hour ago, drobeski said:

Definitely a nepotism kid. Hired because they have to. 

Does anyone know who Obama put in charge of the Ebola task force? 

[nobody 2,692]

5 hours ago, Djgb13 said:

It’s that way SO FAR. In the US it’s actually a zero percent mortality rate. Our living conditions, diet, and healthcare are MUCH better than a lot of places. Especially where a majority of the people died at. As times passes that rate will slow down because of the different treatments and preventions for it. Flu killed 60,000 in the US last year alone. 0 from Coronavirus. You tell me which one is worse

Are you seriously saying because of the 63 or whatever people in the us who have covid-19 didn't die, we're all good?

If we allow the virus to spread organically, old people will flood the hospitals and the death rate will rise simply because you can treat 60 people pretty easily.  You can't treat 600k that go to the hospital as easily after 200 million people are infected.

[Djgb13 2,339]

12 minutes ago, nobody said:

Are you seriously saying because of the 63 or whatever people in the us who have covid-19 didn't die, we're all good?

If we allow the virus to spread organically, old people will flood the hospitals and the death rate will rise simply because you can treat 60 people pretty easily.  You can't treat 600k that go to the hospital as easily after 200 million people are infected.

Re-read what I said. We aren’t “all good” but we also at the point where if you contracted it that you should be worried about dying 

[Meglamaniac 535]

1 hour ago, The Observer said:

Just keep being you buddy. That's never going to change. They want to silence the truth. Don't stop speaking it.

Nothing could be further from the truth

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

37 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Does anyone know who Obama put in charge of the Ebola task force? 

I know. Al Gore and Joe Biden’s chief of staff, Ron Klain.  Not Joe Biden, the Vice President, but his chief of staff. Spent most of his other time as a lobbyist. And people are complaining about Pence. Nice work, once again, libtards. 

[The Observer 641]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I know. Al Gore and Joe Biden’s chief of staff, Ron Klain.  Not Joe Biden, the Vice President, but his chief of staff. Spent most of his other time as a lobbyist. And people are complaining about Pence. Nice work, once again, libtards. 

Tests are finally becoming available. This is game one of preseason. Just the very beginning. Let's see how things play out and then we'll compare with the job Obama did with Ebola.  Stay tuned. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

2 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Tests are finally becoming available. This is game one of preseason. Just the very beginning. Let's see how things play out and then we'll compare with the job Obama did with Ebola.  Stay tuned. 

Did Ebola spread all over the world before it got here? Not even close. But it was a much more serious disease. So why not have the VP’s office manager run things? 

[Meglamaniac 535]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Did Ebola spread all over the world before it got here? Not even close. But it was a much more serious disease. So why not have the VP’s office manager run things? 

hey hey hey, his posts was a "lets wait and see" and not an instant jump to Trump's fault.  Lets not badger enlightenment.

[drobeski 3,061]

16 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Tests are finally becoming available. This is game one of preseason. Just the very beginning. Let's see how things play out and then we'll compare with the job Obama did with Ebola.  Stay tuned. 

So no you've backpedaled to let's see how things play out? 

 

[The Observer 641]

1 minute ago, drobeski said:

So no you've backpedaled to let's see how things play out? 

 

Trump's taken his opportunity to actually be the president of the entire country instead of just 40% of it and focked it all to hell. But what matters is where the rubber meets the road. It's always been about seeing how things play out. He could get lucky and it fizzles out.  Then his wrecklessness and selfishness (along with major paranoia) will go largely unnoticed.  The country will just be breathing a sigh of relief. But if this ends up spreading and killing large amounts, he's done. 

[Meglamaniac 535]

12 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Trump's taken his opportunity to actually be the president of the entire country instead of just 40% of it and focked it all to hell. But what matters is where the rubber meets the road. It's always been about seeing how things play out. He could get lucky and it fizzles out.  Then his wrecklessness and selfishness (along with major paranoia) will go largely unnoticed.  The country will just be breathing a sigh of relief. But if this ends up spreading and killing large amounts, he's done. 

and there goes the enlightenment

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

There is a Coronavirus (Political aka all things Trump) thread here:  https://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/topic/492665-they-finally-got-him/

It'd be nice to have the main one not be political. 

I click on this thread looking for the latest and greatest on the virus but its just political mumbo jumbo.  Why not use the political corona virus thread if you want to talk Trump and Pence and yada yada?

[The Observer 641]

8 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

There is a Coronavirus (Political aka all things Trump) thread here:  https://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/topic/492665-they-finally-got-him/

It'd be nice to have the main one not be political. 

I click on this thread looking for the latest and greatest on the virus but its just political mumbo jumbo.  Why not use the political corona virus thread if you want to talk Trump and Pence and yada yada?

I actually posted what I thought was some interesting info regarding an email my girlfriend received after work today.  Very coronavirus related and not even a hint of politics.

My girlfriend just got an email from her employer. She works for a huge hospital chain with 20,000 employees. Any employee who has been to Italy, Iran, Korea, or China recently is not to come into work Monday and must remain home for 14 days without pay.. At that time they will all be put through a battery of tests before being allowed to return. 

She doesn't have to worry for now. Although we are going to Greece in September. Of course, who knows by that time.

[Utilit99 4,099]

11 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I actually posted what I thought was some interesting info regarding an email my girlfriend received after work today.  Very coronavirus related and not even a hint of politics.

My girlfriend just got an email from her employer. She works for a huge hospital chain with 20,000 employees. Any employee who has been to Italy, Iran, Korea, or China recently is not to come into work Monday and must remain home for 14 days without pay.. At that time they will all be put through a battery of tests before being allowed to return. 

She doesn't have to worry for now. Although we are going to Greece in September. Of course, who knows by that time.

I think you should change your plans and go to China.

[KSB2424 3,148]

26 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I actually posted what I thought was some interesting info regarding an email my girlfriend received after work today.  Very coronavirus related and not even a hint of politics.

 

That's great!  The problem is, which is my point, that most people probably missed it because its embedded in all the other nonsense.  See what I'm saying?

ETA:  The gov't aspect is important too, but you know as good as anybody how that turns out.  We actually have a thread dedicated to Trump / Coronavirus, so swing away!@#!  Just in that thread.

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

That's great!  The problem is, which is my point, that most people probably missed it because its embedded in all the other nonsense.  See what I'm saying?

He leaves out that his "girlfriend" is actually Tiny Tim tiptoeing through the tulips. 

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From the New England Journal of Medicine:

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On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?query=RP

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5 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

That's great!  The problem is, which is my point, that most people probably missed it because its embedded in all the other nonsense.  See what I'm saying?

Put Newbie on ignore, and skip any post that quotes him like I do 99% of the time.  Threads are much better reading that way.

[nobody 2,692]

1 hour ago, Djgb13 said:

Re-read what I said. We aren’t “all good” but we also at the point where if you contracted it that you should be worried about dying 

It's not about dying.  I don't think anyone here is concerned about dying. 

It's about the prospect of your community shutting down for a month because there's an outbreak in your city and all the people who don't need to worry about dying can't stand around while 10% of the elderly and diabetic and smokers who get it die.  It's about the economic impact of countries shutting down.  That's lost production in some cases that's not coming back.  If people stop building sh¡t for 3 weeks, that's 3 weeks worth of raw materials that didn't get purchased and 3 weeks worth of goods and services that aren't being bought and sold.

That translates to economic slow down.  So yeah, it's probably a good idea we have a bit of urgency somewhere between panic and "it's all good" when it comes to trying to stave off the spread of this thing.