Coronavirus - Doomsday

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26 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Who do we...

... never mind, Strike asked.

Why in the hell wouldn't we do that at this point?  Are you saying that we have people with COD symptoms and we aren't doing anything about it?  That seems... unlikely. 

 

How could we test them since there are only a few hundred test kits in the entire country last I read and even those were concentrated in a handful of states.

 

There are ~15 million people that go to the hospital with flu like symptoms every year. We do not have the resources to test people at his point.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

[Voltaire 5,322]

29 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Nowhere did it say he can’t talk or make a public appearance. That’s an idiots spin. They just want it cleared first to avoid mixed messages. 

For the last month, I have made it a habit to watch these coronavirus press conferences. Fauri is the world's #1 expert.  The man is great. He's super-competent. He also speaks calmly and in language that makes complicated things easy to understand.  Pence should adapt his message to what Fauri says, not the other way around. Until this point, the reason I'd trusted the Trump response was that I saw this man standing next to the president as one of his top adviser. The CDC lady and the HHS Secretary are very good but this is the one that I have the most confidence in.

Fauri should speak and Pence take notes. If Fauri is making the decisions and calling the shots and using Mike Pence's high profile VP position as his press secretary then all is right in the world. That's not what's happening.

When I was in the Army, I observed that the smart/competent people get out after one enlistment and the incompetent retards are awarded with leadership positions simply by staying in and get promoted and then proceed to step on their d*cks and fock things up for everybody. I wouldn't dare say that Mike Pence is nearly as incompetent as anyone I served under in the military, it's not humanly possible for even Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin to become VP and be that bad, but I know what happens in the Army when the smart guy who should be running things is told to shut up by the know nothing retard.

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4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

For the last month, I have made it a habit to watch these coronavirus press conferences. Fauri is the world's #1 expert.  The man is great. He's super-competent. He also speaks calmly and in language that makes complicated things easy to understand.  Pence should adapt his message to what Fauri says, not the other way around. Until this point, the reason I'd trusted the Trump response was that I saw this man standing next to the president as his top adviser. The CDC lady and the HHS Secretary are very good but this is the one that I have the most confidence in.

Fauri should speak and Pence take notes. If Fauri is making the decisions and calling the shots and using Mike Pence's high profile VP position as his press secretary then all is right in the world. That's not what's happening.

When I was in the Army, I observed that the smart/competent people get out after one enlistment and the incompetent retards are awarded with leadership positions simply by staying in and get promoted and then proceed to step on their d*cks and fock things up for everybody. I wouldn't dare say that Mike Pence is nearly as incompetent as anyone I served under in the military, it's not humanly possible to be that bad, but I know what happens in the Army when the smart guy who should be running things is told to shut up by the know nothing retard.

So I guess they won’t be listening to this guy now. Pence is calling all the shots. I’ll say it again, come on man. You’re so much smarter than this. 

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This may explain why my local grocery store was completely out of bottled water. I would just drink filtered faucet water like I always do.... Just like to bring a bottle with to work

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13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So I guess they won’t be listening to this guy now. Pence is calling all the shots. I’ll say it again, come on man. You’re so much smarter than this. 

Putting Pence in charge instead of Fauri is a mistake. Pence is better at Vice Presidenting than Fauri is. But just by outranking him doesn't make his decisions better.

Seeing that Pence's first decision is to muzzle Fauri means that they are not on the same page and that they're doing it Pence's way. Well... Fock Pence's way. We should be doing it Fauri's way and we should be doing it at the speed of how fast Fauri's mouth operates. If any problems occur along the way, have Mike Pence make a phone call or three to apply the needed pressure to smooth things out. 

Like I said... the way I see this remindes me of the hundreds of times in the Army when the underling was a bajillion times more competent than the person in charge.

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2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Putting Pence in charge instead of Fauri is a mistake. Pence is better at Vice Presidenting than Fauri is. But just by outranking him doesn't make his decisions better.

Seeing that Pence's first decision is to muzzle Fauri means that they are not on the same page and that they're doingit Pence's way. Well... Fock Pence's way. We should be doing it Fauri's way and we should be doing it at the speed of how fast Fauri's mouth operates. If any problems occur along the way, have Mike Pence make a phone call or three to smooth things out. 

Show me where/ how he’s being muzzled? And you think he’s the only smart guy around? Not interested in a consensus before a message is put out, with other brainiacs input? Because he makes you feel good? 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Show me where/ how he’s being muzzled? And you think he’s the only smart guy around? Not interested in a consensus before a message is put out, with other brainiacs input? Because he makes you feel good? 

When Trump gave his press conference yesterday, he'd just emerged from a meeting with forty experts. 

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Just now, Voltaire said:

When Trump gave his press conference yesterday, he'd just emerged from a meeting with forty experts. 

Again, they just said statements had to be cleared. If you want to be all conspiracy theorist, have at it. But I don’t see what Trump would get out of downplaying anything. It’s not like the public isn’t going to know if people start dying. No offense,  but this isn’t China. 

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3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

When Trump gave his press conference yesterday, he'd just emerged from a meeting with forty experts. 

When I am wanting info on this (or any other) disease, I am not listening to Trump or Pence. They don’t know the difference between Ebola or the flu. 

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7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Again, they just said statements had to be cleared. If you want to be all conspiracy theorist, have at it. But I don’t see what Trump would get out of downplaying anything. It’s not like the public isn’t going to know if people start dying. No offense,  but this isn’t China. 

Pence is good at managing people. Pence is the guy who knows who to call and what to offer or say to make things happen. When some intransigent guy needs a kick in the pants, Mike Pence makes for a great foot to deliver the kick.

If Dr. Fauri needs his statement cleared, what that means to me is that his statement may not be in accords with Mike Pence's statement and his advice is likely being ignored.

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Lots of wild assumptions and conspiracies going on.  Geez.

 

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6 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Pence is good at managing people. Pence is the guy who knows who to call and what to offer or say to make things happen. When some intransigent guy needs a kick in the pants, Mike Pence makes for a great foot to deliver the kick.

If Dr. Fauri needs his statement cleared, what that means to me is that his statement may not be in accords with Mike Pence's statement and his advice is likely being ignored.

This isn’t response to nonsense like the Russia hoax. And if this guy really had something to say that the diabolical Pence and his fellow evil doers didn’t want out, do you think this guy would really be silenced? I think he would walk up to the nearest microphone he could find. 

[Fireballer 2,643]

How the fuk can anyone be a globalist when some fukstiks cant resist eating bats or cats or whatever the fuk it was to fire off sh!t like this?  Please, continue to make the entire planet a sh!t hole, leaving a path of scorched earth sh!tholes in your wake.  I cant wait until Bernie abolishes ICE, opens borders, and free college and insurance for all illegals.  What a blissful sh!tpot of filth we will be.

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30 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

How the fuk can anyone be a globalist when some fukstiks cant resist eating bats or cats or whatever the fuk it was to fire off sh!t like this?  Please, continue to make the entire planet a sh!t hole, leaving a path of scorched earth sh!tholes in your wake.  I cant wait until Bernie abolishes ICE, opens borders, and free college and insurance for all illegals.  What a blissful sh!tpot of filth we will be.

It's mind-boggling, isn't it?  I think the only viable long term solution is this country splitting in two.  We are too divided a nation to ever see eye to eye again imo.  Elections are becoming a window to undo the previous administration's policies.  We are schizo.  Just look at what this thread has devolved into.  We can't even come together during a pandemic.  We deserve every bad thing coming our way.   

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57 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This isn’t response to nonsense like the Russia hoax. And if this guy really had something to say that the diabolical Pence and his fellow evil doers didn’t want out, do you think this guy would really be silenced? I think he would walk up to the nearest microphone he could find. 

I've spent the last month listening watching these CDC pronouncements. They are doing great work and are very informative. I like Secretary Azar, I like the CDC lady, and I like Dr. Fauri. They all are first rate. The best of the bunch has been Fauri who's really good at making things easy to understand and his answers to questions are all clear and on point. With Tony Fauri, I have to overcome that horrible nails-on-chalkboard New York City accent that once upon a time even made Fran Drescher less sexy but I can deal with that because he's just so good at explaining it all. This guy is smooth.  I've been spending the last month developing a man-crush on Tony Fauri.

So I look at this crew, and I know that they're backed by and in consultation with more experts, and i have every faith that the competence of the team President Trump has advising him.

So then yesterday at the last press conference, I see Vice President Pence has been put in charge of the coronavirus response and OK, I'm fine with that. Trump's main message is on keeping calm and not panicking, he seems to be downplaying things more than I'm comfortable with but it's reasonable. Personally, I'm partial to SF declaring a state of emergency despite not having any cases yet (otherwise, I hold the city in contempt on pretty much everything else). The CDC lady had said the day before that for sure the US will get infected eventually, Trump says there's still a chance that we can escape it. I don't mind the optimism, the press conference ends and I see no problem, I'm on board with it all. But I'm on board because I've seen the people advising him in action for the past month and trust them. Trump is a businessman, Pence is a lawyer, it's not the ideal background for this but it's the quality of their team that I trust.

Then, the first thing I see that Pence does in this position is tells Fauri he needs to clear his public statements with Pence first. WTF? It's like I've seen that before ... Army incompetent retarded boss flashbacks ... this is not good. Fauri knows this stuff better than Secretary Azar and the CDC lady, as he should, infectious diseases are his personal subspecialty. Both of them in turn know a hell of a lot more about health care than the President and the Vice-President. That's not a bad thing if the vice president gets out of the way and lets his top expert do his thing. Telling Dr. Fauri to get on message... fock that. No. He's brilliant and he's spent his entire career focusing on this. He's already on message because he writes the message. You get on message.

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2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

For the last month, I have made it a habit to watch these coronavirus press conferences.

That's your problem. 

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The people I'm more curious to hear from are not the departmental/bureaucratic leaders with bio/medical insights. I am curious to hear from them, but there are even more astute people who don't have their time dominated by PR and leading a machine through a political and beuracratic environment. 

Not exactly going to sing the praises of the CDC when the local hospital knew better.

Not exactly going to sing the praises of the CDC given what's going on regarding the tests.

Everything in the presser yesterday evening was behind the curve.

Although people might see a wide open context for sensationalism to flourish in this situation, political and federal leadership has actually been making the avoidance of true concern/panic the #1 priority. They want and expect us to get our cues from them. And that might not be healthy at all in this situation. We probably don't have a great system, when the shtf if it does, except for more local level response and coordination capabilities, but it's too bad the private sector can't just jump in on the test note. The test aspect is the major issue, given that it's entwined with the blob of official leadership.

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7 minutes ago, naomi said:

 

Everything in the presser yesterday evening was behind the curve.

 

Thank you for your insight doc. 

[naomi 356]

We might just have a few community transmission cases in the U.S. right now.

But it's most likely we're sitting on many. And we don't know what that means. We have the coming weeks to find out, given that it takes a while to progress through all the symptoms and the first week is mild. People are going into hospitals and getting care for viral pneumonia and not being tested. UCD Med escalated that case because something must have stood out, but it's certainly not uncommon for people over 60 to land in the hospital with a virus and pneumonia. So if there's now a virus that has a significant case fatality rate in the mix, we're not going to see it if we don't test. This is where the CDC not being excellent comes in. Not everyone should be tested, just people presenting with symptoms that could be it.

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4 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Lots of wild assumptions and conspiracies going on.  Geez.

 

Yeah, this thread is focking insane.

I guess some sort of panic is sweeping the US. I've been getting lots of messages from people I haven't heard from in years wanting to talk Coronavirus.

Bottom line... At this point, containment has failed. It's out, it's sweeping the globe.

I would hope my countrymen would be able to unify and handle this with a modicum of class. Based on what I've read here and elsewhere, I'm not betting on it. 

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5 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Yeah, this thread is focking insane.

I guess some sort of panic is sweeping the US. I've been getting lots of messages from people I haven't heard from in years wanting to talk Coronavirus.

Bottom line... At this point, containment has failed. It's out, it's sweeping the globe.

I would hope my countrymen would be able to unify and handle this with a modicum of class. Based on what I've read here and elsewhere, I'm not betting on it. 

It is mayhem here. Actually, not really, but it only takes about 10% of people to cause things to go a little sideways. That is okay, because those people will quarantine themselves in a few days and we can all get back to normal. 

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5 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Yeah, this thread is focking insane.

I guess some sort of panic is sweeping the US. I've been getting lots of messages from people I haven't heard from in years wanting to talk Coronavirus.

Bottom line... At this point, containment has failed. It's out, it's sweeping the globe.

I would hope my countrymen would be able to unify and handle this with a modicum of class. Based on what I've read here and elsewhere, I'm not betting on it. 

Libs are really freaking everyone out. (see selfie) What they don't realize is that they are killing globalism and unfettered immigration. What Trump couldn't do in 3 years they are doing in 2 months. The US will come out of this a better place.

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4 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Libs are really freaking everyone out. (see selfie) What they don't realize is that they are killing globalism and unfettered immigration. What Trump couldn't do in 3 years they are doing in 2 months. The US will come out of this a better place.

Trump faces the first crisis in his presidency and he's screwing the pooch. His lying is causing the uncertainty in the market. Every time he opens his mouth, the market drops.  Having his biggest butt kisser become the head of the task force and then telling the health experts that they aren't to speak to anyone and that everything goes through pence is an economic nightmare.  does Trump really think the world hasn't seen his first three and a half years? They have as much confidence in him as I do.

[The Observer 641]

The saddest thing about all of this is that the United States always lead the world in these crisis situations. Under Trump, we jump into months after everyone else. And the world gets to see that our leader is more worried about his approval rating and votes than he is his own citizens' health and safety. Shameful. 

[bostonlager 2,665]

The borders should be closed until further notice. Allowing contaminated brown and yellow people in at this time is dumb. 

[Djgb13 2,339]

Obama appointed Biden to cure cancer and no one batted an eye

[Meglamaniac 535]

1 hour ago, The Observer said:

Trump faces the first crisis in his presidency and he's screwing the pooch. His lying is causing the uncertainty in the market. Every time he opens his mouth, the market drops.  Having his biggest butt kisser become the head of the task force and then telling the health experts that they aren't to speak to anyone and that everything goes through pence is an economic nightmare.  does Trump really think the world hasn't seen his first three and a half years? They have as much confidence in him as I do.

TRUMPS FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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1 minute ago, Meglamaniac said:

TRUMPS FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zero casualties and less than 2 dozen people infected in America. Yea, MAJOR crisis

[Meglamaniac 535]

1 hour ago, The Observer said:

The saddest thing about all of this is that the United States always lead the world in these crisis situations. Under Trump, we jump into months after everyone else. And the world gets to see that our leader is more worried about his approval rating and votes than he is his own citizens' health and safety. Shameful. 

What's sad is seeing the left weaponize this situation and making it a Political statement/condemnation, its sad, its sick and it irresponsible.

 

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Just now, Meglamaniac said:

What's sad is seeing Trump try to cover this up to help himself politically while trying to frame it as another conspiracy theory screated by the left., Its sad, its sick and it irresponsible.

 

Fixed your post

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5 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

What's sad is seeing the left weaponize this situation and making it a Political statement/condemnation, its sad, its sick and it irresponsible.

 

They're actively rooting for catastrophe both financially and health wise for American citizens. 

Very sick mother fockers.  Awful humans.  

[Meglamaniac 535]

5 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Fixed your post

Damn, you are so clever, now back to your batsh!t crazy posting

[The Observer 641]

2 minutes ago, drobeski said:

They're actively rooting for catastrophe both financially and health wise for American citizens. 

Very sick mother fockers.  Awful humans.  

Truth be told, you know how horribly and selfishly Trump has handled this so you're praying that this doesn't become bad because it will destroy him politically. The fact that you consider everything a 'us vs. them' situation, makes you think the left hopes it becomes bad.  That's as stupid as thinking we want our 401Ks to crash so we can claim a politically win.  

Show one person, in real life, TV, radio, messageboard, etc, who is rooting for a catastrophe. I'll wait. 

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2 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Truth be told, you know how horribly and selfishly Trump has handled this so you're praying that this doesn't become bad because it will destroy him politically. The fact that you consider everything a 'us vs. them' situation, makes you think the left hopes it becomes bad.  That's as stupid as thinking we want our 401Ks to crash so we can claim a politically win.  

Show one person, in real life, TV, radio, messageboard, etc, who is rooting for a catastrophe. I'll wait. 

Right after you link the proof to your claim trump told people not to prepare.  

Hack

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7 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Truth be told, you know how horribly and selfishly Trump has handled this so you're praying that this doesn't become bad because it will destroy him politically. . I'll wait. 

This perfectly illustrates the left and its agenda.  just a horrible, horrible stance to take. 

Anyone/Everyone should be hoping this doesn't become bad because it's Human Nature to care, sane people aren't attaching a Political agenda to this outbreak.

You really have gone off the reservation here, I hope you can find your way back to decency.

 

[Reality 3,121]

7 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Yeah, this thread is focking insane.

It really is. I've never seen anything like it. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,554]

Hate to double post, but this issue has spread to 2 threads... 

In the US, the mortality rate of the Coronavirus is currently sitting at 0%.  Just saying.

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31 minutes ago, Djgb13 said:

Zero casualties and less than 2 dozen people infected in America. Yea, MAJOR crisis

 

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Hate to double post, but this issue has spread to 2 threads... 

In the US, the mortality rate of the Coronavirus is currently sitting at 0%.  Just saying.

To keep this number as low as possible we need to prepare as a country. We need to slow the spread to a manageable rate so that the hospitals do not get overwhelmed. This means lots of testing and to shut down public events in cities/areas that become hotspots.

 

The pandemic has not yet started in America, of course the number is 0. However, from the best scientific articles it spreads easier than the flu and is around a thousand times more deadly.

 

It is better to react when there are small amounts of cases than when there are large amounts of cases.

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Just now, MTSkiBum said:

 

To keep this number as low as possible we need to prepare as a country. We need to slow the spread to a manageable rate so that the hospitals do not get overwhelmed. This means lots of testing and to shut down public events in cities/areas that become hotspots.

 

The pandemic has not yet started in America, of course the number is 0. However, from the best scientific articles it spreads easier than the flu and is around a thousand times more deadly.

 

It is better to react when there are small amounts of cases than when there are large amounts of cases.

I don't disagree with you.  The best course is to inform people of the threat (which they did), and tell them to not take things lightly.  To note, the people that need to be the most cautious are smokers.  This virus apparently hits them the hardest.

[Meglamaniac 535]

5 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

To keep this number as low as possible we need to prepare as a country. We need to slow the spread to a manageable rate so that the hospitals do not get overwhelmed. This means lots of testing and to shut down public events in cities/areas that become hotspots.

 

The pandemic has not yet started in America, of course the number is 0. However, from the best scientific articles it spreads easier than the flu and is around a thousand times more deadly.

 

It is better to react when there are small amounts of cases than when there are large amounts of cases.

Are we not reacting?