Coronavirus - Doomsday

[TBayXXXVII 2,561]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I know it’s not only masks and yes some politicians were certainly hypocrites with other things like staying home etc.  But vaccines are pretty much the one tool we have that make a significant difference in reducing Covid deaths.  Silly to include them in the same conversation as pretty much any other tactic that was used prior to their release.

But speaking of “talking one game and walking another,” I’m sure most of the Fox News hosts downplaying the vaccine all received it…

Oh, I wouldn't doubt it, but they're not the policy makers or pushers... they're people just like us who either believe or don't believe what we're being told.

[TimHauck 2,956]

52 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Both me and my wife got the Pfizer Vaccine May of 2020.  I genuinely thought it was a decent vaccination that provided long term protection.  Later that fall and winter, I learned differently, all the data came out that the efficacy was overblown.  I actually felt lied too.  Then my whole family caught the Omicron variant in January 2021.  My kids were sick for like a day, me maybe two and my wife actually had it the worse and was down for maybe three days.  I had the Flu a couple years ago and that was twice as bad (for me).  

I'm done with all things Covid.  I've had the first vaccine and my family has had the virus once.  No more shots, boosters, masks, nothing.  It's been that way for a while......we are living our lives like it doesn't exist and if we get sick then we will stay at home like we do the Flu or the Stomach bug, you know, normal sick ediquette. 

Other than that, Covid is over as far as I'm concerned......it's just one more Flu virus.  

 

So you never got Covid until Omicron and you don’t think the vax may have helped prevent you from getting it sooner? 
 

And I know we don’t know for sure, but despite the jokes of “Thank god for the vax or I’d be dead!”, it is possible you/your wife may have gotten more sick if you weren’t vaxx’ed.

[KSB2424 3,148]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you never got Covid until Omicron and you don’t think the vax may have helped prevent you from getting it sooner? 
 

And I know we don’t know for sure, but despite the jokes of “Thank god for the vax or I’d be dead!”, it is possible you/your wife may have gotten more sick if you weren’t vaxx’ed.

Are you still spouting this nonsense?  You're like my Grandma writing a check at the grocery store.  

Wake up kid.  

[vomit 502]

You're a year off

[TimHauck 2,956]

3 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Are you still spouting this nonsense?  You're like my Grandma writing a check at the grocery store.  

Wake up kid.  

I’m perfectly awake.

The vax was ~80% effective against symptomatic infection at 6+ months through Delta.

No, it is not effective against symptomatic Omicron infection.  That doesn’t mean the people saying the vax never worked were right.  It means Omicron changed the game.

[KSB2424 3,148]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’m perfectly awake.

The vax was ~80% effective against symptomatic infection at 6+ months through Delta.

No, it is not effective against symptomatic Omicron infection.  That doesn’t mean the people saying the vax never worked were right.  It means Omicron changed the game.

Tim, it's over.  

We may need an intervention. 

[TimHauck 2,956]

1 minute ago, KSB2424 said:

Tim, it's over.  

We may need an intervention. 

Oh I agree with most of what you said earlier except for the vaccine skepticism. Hopefully Covid is pretty much over and we don’t have another winter surge.   There’s not much point in pushing vaccines at this point as pretty much everyone that was going to get one has gotten one by now (except maybe boosters for some more old people), but they were/are effective and saved many lives.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

9 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

The NEA is making this happen.  It's almost as if the left is really working for the right.  This stuff is happening too much to be a coincidence.

National Education Association teachers union proposes resolution to change 'mother' to 'birthing parent'

Tiffany Justice from Moms for Liberty said she refers to the NEA as the 'K-12 Cartel' for holding parents and children hostage to a radical agenda

https://www.foxnews.com/media/national-education-association-teachers-union-proposes-resolution-change-mother-birthing-parent

 

 

 

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

Alex Berenson reinstated to Twitter , lawsuit settled.  Terms not disclosed. 

[lod001 1,345]

Pfizer ordered by a Judge in Uraguay to release what’s in their Covid injections immediately.

Ouch. If your product was not a total disaster and deadly, you would give Uruguay what they asked for, This crap is so fockin dangerous.

 

 

[DonS 3,292]

Just now, lod001 said:

Pfizer ordered by a Judge in Uraguay to release what’s in their Covid injections immediately.

Ouch. If your product was not a total disaster and deadly, you would give Uruguay what they asked for, This crap is so fockin dangerous.

 

 

Ancient Pfizer secret huh? 

[TimHauck 2,956]

8 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Alex Berenson reinstated to Twitter , lawsuit settled.  Terms not disclosed. 

 

 

[listen2me 23 1,877]

No Vax got my first covid Dec 5th 2021.  Got drunk 2 days into my "quarantine". When is my next vacation? :happybanana:

[lod001 1,345]

Some of us know why they are dropping dead at elevated levels.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/uk-news/957270/non-covid-excess-deaths-why-are-they-on-the-rise

[jerryskids 6,871]

 

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I know it’s not only masks and yes some politicians were certainly hypocrites with other things like staying home etc.  But vaccines are pretty much the one tool we have that make a significant difference in reducing Covid deaths.  Silly to include them in the same conversation as pretty much any other tactic that was used prior to their release.

We've discussed this so I don't want to completely rehash it, but there are prophylactics like Vitamin D with a ton of data supporting them, and Vitamin D has 0% adverse health risks.  You can quibble over "significant" but we'll never know, because the government to this day entertains no prophylactics, which I find somewhere between incompetent and criminally negligent.  There are therapeutics like paxlovid and MABs, but those come from Big Pharma.  Vitamin D and Ivermectin are essentially free, not much money to be made there.

[Horseman 2,502]

The 3rd and 4th booster doesnt even work against Omicron?  NBC reported even the boosted are getting sick, multiple times. LOLZ.  

[DonS 3,292]

50 minutes ago, Horseman said:

The 3rd and 4th booster doesnt even work against Omicron?  NBC reported even the boosted are getting sick, multiple times. LOLZ.  

But they would've DIED if they didn't have the booster!!!!!!!!!

[KSB2424 3,148]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

The 3rd and 4th booster doesnt even work against Omicron?  NBC reported even the boosted are getting sick, multiple times. LOLZ.  

I am pro vaccines, they are one of the greatest human inventions in history.  It really cannot be denied.

The Covid Vaccine while i believe to be safe, just sucks when compared to any other vaccine.  I'm not getting any booster not because I am scared its dangerous, but because it's a shitty vaccine.  To many variants thus the efficacy is terrible.  

 

[TimHauck 2,956]

6 hours ago, jerryskids said:

 

We've discussed this so I don't want to completely rehash it, but there are prophylactics like Vitamin D with a ton of data supporting them, and Vitamin D has 0% adverse health risks.  You can quibble over "significant" but we'll never know, because the government to this day entertains no prophylactics, which I find somewhere between incompetent and criminally negligent.  There are therapeutics like paxlovid and MABs, but those come from Big Pharma.  Vitamin D and Ivermectin are essentially free, not much money to be made there.

Eh I’d probably put Vitamin D (along with Ivermectin, MAB, Paxlovid) in the “not significant” category.  Seems like there is data suggesting “deficient” Vitamin D levels may lead to worse outcomes, but that doesn’t mean everyone should take Vitamin D supplements to prevent Covid.

If you are interested in unbiased data analysis on Covid (which most probably aren’t these days), this dude is a good follow:

 

 

 

I figured you were better than the “they’re suppressing effective treatments because there’s no money to be made” argument.  Dexamethasone is one of the only treatments proven effective and it is a cheap generic.

[jerryskids 6,871]

10 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Eh I’d probably put Vitamin D (along with Ivermectin, MAB, Paxlovid) in the “not significant” category.  Seems like there is data suggesting “deficient” Vitamin D levels may lead to worse outcomes, but that doesn’t mean everyone should take Vitamin D supplements to prevent Covid.

If you are interested in unbiased data analysis on Covid (which most probably aren’t these days), this dude is a good follow:

 

 

 

I figured you were better than the “they’re suppressing effective treatments because there’s no money to be made” argument.  Dexamethasone is one of the only treatments proven effective and it is a cheap generic.

From your guy it looks inconclusive, which should indicate further studies.  Also I would expect less impact from supplementation for people who already have high levels.  Also I would like to see impact on severity; the links I saw in his tweet seemed like go/no-go contracting the disease.

Dexamethasone looks like it is only administered for severe cases; it was never mentioned by Mayo to me, only Paxlovid or MABs as first-line therapeutics.

I thought you were better than "you question the Party so you are a whackjob conspiracy theorist."  

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13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

From your guy it looks inconclusive, which should indicate further studies.  Also I would expect less impact from supplementation for people who already have high levels.  Also I would like to see impact on severity; the links I saw in his tweet seemed like go/no-go contracting the disease.

Dexamethasone looks like it is only administered for severe cases; it was never mentioned by Mayo to me, only Paxlovid or MABs as first-line therapeutics.

I thought you were better than "you question the Party so you are a whackjob conspiracy theorist."  

He never has been. Fauci and big pharma are his gods 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

On 7/7/2022 at 6:25 AM, TimHauck said:

 

 

Berenson sues twitter for lying, settles out of court (for who knows how much) and forces twitter to reinstate, libs claim victory!  

[Baker Boy 1,704]

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The U.S. Army on Friday said that roughly 40,000 National Guardsmen and 22,000 Reservists who have refused to get vaccinated against the coronavirus will be barred from their duties, effectively cutting their pay and benefits. 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/army-cuts-pay-benefits-60000-unvaccinated-national-guard-reserves

[Reality 3,121]

3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/army-cuts-pay-benefits-60000-unvaccinated-national-guard-reserves

What a focking joke. This is embarrassing. 

Maybe, and it's a huge maybe, this made a little sense 2 years ago but, now? GTFO.

[lod001 1,345]

 

2 minutes ago, Reality said:

What a focking joke. This is embarrassing. 

Maybe, and it's a huge maybe, this made a little sense 2 years ago but, now? GTFO.

The crap doesn't even work at all for the current strains. Of course, it never worked to begin with. 

[TimHauck 2,956]

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

From your guy it looks inconclusive, which should indicate further studies.  Also I would expect less impact from supplementation for people who already have high levels.  Also I would like to see impact on severity; the links I saw in his tweet seemed like go/no-go contracting the disease.

Dexamethasone looks like it is only administered for severe cases; it was never mentioned by Mayo to me, only Paxlovid or MABs as first-line therapeutics.

I thought you were better than "you question the Party so you are a whackjob conspiracy theorist."  

Agree, probably mostly inconclusive so far and more studies would be good.  But if it made a significant difference, it should be easier to conclude.  

You’re not a conspiracy theorist for “questioning the party,” you’re a conspiracy theorist if you believe effective treatments were intentionally suppressed because they weren’t profitable enough.

[TimHauck 2,956]

4 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

Berenson sues twitter for lying, settles out of court (for who knows how much) and forces twitter to reinstate, libs claim victory!  

Eh I was never huge on twitter censorship, and there were definitely worse people on Twitter than Berenson.

It was just “victory” in the sense that Berenson was exposed as a fraud.  He vowed not to settle without being able to expose twitter’s evilness, yet did anyway, after collecting gofundme donations from his duped fans.

[jerryskids 6,871]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Agree, probably mostly inconclusive so far and more studies would be good.  But if it made a significant difference, it should be easier to conclude.  

You’re not a conspiracy theorist for “questioning the party,” you’re a conspiracy theorist if you believe effective treatments were intentionally suppressed because they weren’t profitable enough.

As you may recall, I strongly believe that the government suppressed (to use your word) alternative therapeutics and prophylactics, and did so because their position was to go all in on the vaxes.  The reason is some combination of good intentions (they thought it was the right thing to do) and not-so-good (other incentives).  Hopefully you are right and it was primarily good intentions. 

[nobody 2,701]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

As you may recall, I strongly believe that the government suppressed (to use your word) alternative therapeutics and prophylactics, and did so because their position was to go all in on the vaxes.  The reason is some combination of good intentions (they thought it was the right thing to do) and not-so-good (other incentives).  Hopefully you are right and it was primarily good intentions. 

They admitted to lying or at least claimed to lie about masks because of a shortage.  I wonder why anyone would anyone believe anything they say?

The government has proven over and over and over and over again to be either incompetent or willfully untruthful.  It doesn't really matter which in the context of not trusting what they have to say on the matter.

[Reality 3,121]

48 minutes ago, nobody said:

They admitted to lying or at least claimed to lie about masks because of a shortage.  I wonder why anyone would anyone believe anything they say?

The government has proven over and over and over and over again to be either incompetent or willfully untruthful.  It doesn't really matter which in the context of not trusting what they have to say on the matter.

Half the population is extremely gullible, you don't have to go far do see it.

[KSB2424 3,148]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

They admitted to lying or at least claimed to lie about masks because of a shortage.  I wonder why anyone would anyone believe anything they say?

The government has proven over and over and over and over again to be either incompetent or willfully untruthful.  It doesn't really matter which in the context of not trusting what they have to say on the matter.

This is my overwhelming takeaway from the whole Covid past two years.  I genuinly feel lied to about the covid vaccine I took a year ago; not the safety but the efficacy.  It's a shitty vaccine, barely works.  Secondly why isn't my own government finding the root cause of all this?   Anyone with a brain knows it was a lab leak from Wuhan.....but somehow, someway this is not being investigated full force.  It's the most insane thing I've ever seen.  

Our government treated us like parents talking to children about Santa Claus.  "Be good and you'll get presents!"

No mutherfockers, give us the facts, give us the science, give us the truth.  No sugar coating, no spin, no little white lies for the good of the whole because "you" know best.  Fock You. 

[TimHauck 2,956]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

As you may recall, I strongly believe that the government suppressed (to use your word) alternative therapeutics and prophylactics, and did so because their position was to go all in on the vaxes.  The reason is some combination of good intentions (they thought it was the right thing to do) and not-so-good (other incentives).  Hopefully you are right and it was primarily good intentions. 

Other incentives like what?

Your theory makes no sense as they wouldn’t go “all in on vaxxes” in 2020 if there was an effective treatment found months before the vaxxes became available.

After the vaxxes got the EUA, there may have been some incentive to “suppress” other treatments if it was really true that a proven effective treatment would invalidate the EUA.  But that theory also falls flat once Pfizer became fully approved, because they could have easily later “verified” another treatment was successful while also pushing the vax.

No, the government is not always your friend, but I’m sorry, I just refuse to believe they intentionally suppressed effective treatments that could have saved lives (in before Big Guy says “you don’t know what the globalists are capable of!”).  Yes, they may have lied about masks, but once again masks are not comparable to vaxxes (or if there were another treatment similarly as effective as the vaxxes).  I started writing some additional comments on that but I know we’ve had that discussion and I really dislike that so much focus during this pandemic has been on masks, especially after an effective vaccine became available.

[TimHauck 2,956]

16 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

This is my overwhelming takeaway from the whole Covid past two years.  I genuinly feel lied to about the covid vaccine I took a year ago; not the safety but the efficacy.  It's a shitty vaccine, barely works.....I was sold defective goods.  Secondly is my own government is not finding the root cause of all this.  Anyone with a brain knows it was a lab leak from Wuhan.....but somehow, someway this is not being investigated full force.  It's the most insane thing I've ever seen.  

It’s not as good as the trials made it out to be, but it is effective.  “Defective” and “barely works” is fake news.

 

 

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

Just now, TimHauck said:

It’s not as good as the trials made it out to be, but it is effective.  “Barely works” is fake news.

 

 

 

It's not fake news, I lived it, I've studied it and I'm smarter than you.

Eat a D!ck. 

[TimHauck 2,956]

1 minute ago, KSB2424 said:

It's not fake news, I lived it, I've studied it and I'm smarter than you.

Eat a D!ck. 

Only if you are talking solely about the effectiveness against symptomatic infection (and even that was pretty good until Omicron).  It is very effective against hospitalization and death.

[shorepatrol 1,871]

6 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

 

Eat a D!ck. 

Eeeeeeeasy. He hasn't had his monkey pox vax yet. 

[jerryskids 6,871]

31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Other incentives like what?

Your theory makes no sense as they wouldn’t go “all in on vaxxes” in 2020 if there was an effective treatment found months before the vaxxes became available.

After the vaxxes got the EUA, there may have been some incentive to “suppress” other treatments if it was really true that a proven effective treatment would invalidate the EUA.  But that theory also falls flat once Pfizer became fully approved, because they could have easily later “verified” another treatment was successful while also pushing the vax.

No, the government is not always your friend, but I’m sorry, I just refuse to believe they intentionally suppressed effective treatments that could have saved lives (in before Big Guy says “you don’t know what the globalists are capable of!”).  Yes, they may have lied about masks, but once again masks are not comparable to vaxxes (or if there were another treatment similarly as effective as the vaxxes).  I started writing some additional comments on that but I know we’ve had that discussion and I really dislike that so much focus during this pandemic has been on masks, especially after an effective vaccine became available.

There are plenty of potential other incentives for bad behavior.  An easy one is the lie about the source not being from the Wuhan lab, and probably relatedly the funding by the US (through 3rd party money laundering companies) of gain of function research in China.  Lots of money and careers at stake their, maybe criminal implications.  China put pressure on university recipients of research money to disparage the lab leak idea as well.

I never said that they went all in on vaxxes in 2020 with a bevy of proven solutions already in place.  I'm saying that once they went all in on the vaxxes, they suppressed activities to identify complementary treatments.

They lied to you Tim.  A lot. I'm confident that most of the people involved were not in the loop and meant well.  But the people at the top, well, I'm not so sure.

[TimHauck 2,956]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

There are plenty of potential other incentives for bad behavior.  An easy one is the lie about the source not being from the Wuhan lab, and probably relatedly the funding by the US (through 3rd party money laundering companies) of gain of function research in China.  Lots of money and careers at stake their, maybe criminal implications.  China put pressure on university recipients of research money to disparage the lab leak idea as well.

I never said that they went all in on vaxxes in 2020 with a bevy of proven solutions already in place.  I'm saying that once they went all in on the vaxxes, they suppressed activities to identify complementary treatments.

They lied to you Tim.  A lot. I'm confident that most of the people involved were not in the loop and meant well.  But the people at the top, well, I'm not so sure.

What does the origin have to do with suppressing effective treatments?  If anything, if the US government/Fauci was involved in the origin, they would have even more motivation to end it, which would mean encouraging all effective treatments.

All these supposed effective treatments were around in 2020.  So if they were being suppressed, it wasn’t because they were “going all in on the vax.”  Next theory?

[shorepatrol 1,871]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What does the origin have to do with suppressing effective treatments?  If anything, if the US government/Fauci was involved in the origin, they would have even more motivation to end it, which would mean encouraging all effective treatments.

All these supposed effective treatments were around in 2020.  So if they were being suppressed, it wasn’t because they were “going all in on the vax.”  Next theory?

Tap out. I realize you think your responses are brilliant end gamers. You have no self awareness 

[Reality 3,121]

Lost cause, move on.