Can we all agree that Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd

[posty 2,849]

I would say 40 of us can agree on something...  Wait, do we even have that many posters here?

[TheNewGirl 1,638]

4 minutes ago, posty said:

I would say 40 of us can agree on something...  Wait, do we even have that many posters here?

There are only 5 of us posting under several different names. That's how it's always been, right? 

[posty 2,849]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

There are only 5 of us posting under several different names. That's how it's always been, right? 

Maybe...  I haven't updated my notebook in a long time, so my data is inaccurate...

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George Floyd is responsible for putting himself in a situation that lead to his death. His actions cost him his life. 

And society is better off without him. 

[lod001 1,345]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

George Floyd is responsible for putting himself in a situation that lead to his death. His actions cost him his life. 

And society is better off without him. 

Cannot be disputed.

[lod001 1,345]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Like a death due to covid that was assisted by diabetes?

Yep. Fatties with diabetes & other comorbidities got finished off by covid. I've always said that. About 50000 of them.

[peenie 2,007]

15 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

George Floyd is responsible for putting himself in a situation that lead to his death. His actions cost him his life. 

And society is better off without him. 

Wrong again, George Floyd was in handcuffs and aggressively handled and unable to control the situation where his life was taken from him. 

I bet you also believed Rodney King was resisting arrest? He should've laid down on the ground and not moved while police officers were beating him with batons? 

 

[Fireballer 2,693]

Dr Tobin took a little wind out of the sails of the defense.

[Fireballer 2,693]

Just now, peenie said:

Wrong again, George Floyd was in handcuffs and aggressively handled and unable to control the situation where his life was taken from him. 

I bet you also believed Rodney King was assisting arrest? He should've laid down on the ground and not moved while police officers were beating him with batons? 

 Thankfully a courtroom has little patience for the emotional rants like yours.  Nuance, which you can't seem to grasp on many subjects, will be how this trial is decided. 

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28 minutes ago, peenie said:

Wrong again, George Floyd was in handcuffs and aggressively handled and unable to control the situation where his life was taken from him. 

I bet you also believed Rodney King was resisting arrest? He should've laid down on the ground and not moved while police officers were beating him with batons? 

 

Had GF not tried to pass a counterfeit bill, the police would never have been called in the first place. Had GF not swallowed drugs to avoid being charged with possession he wouldn't have had such trouble breathing which caused him not to follow directions from the police which, in turn, caused them to handle him more aggressively than they otherwise might have. 

GF, began the sequence of events that ultimately resulted in his death. He could've avoided the whole situation had he made better choices. Once on scene, the police have no choice but to take control of the situation.  Arguing and/or being uncooperative won't make them go away. 

 

And yes, I think RK resisted arrest and continuously refused to obey lawful commands which resulted in an accepted use of force technique at the time. And yes, I do believe that if he had followed those lawful commands that the use of force would not have occurred.  

[Utilit99 4,099]

27 minutes ago, peenie said:

Wrong again, George Floyd was in handcuffs and aggressively handled and unable to control the situation where his life was taken from him. 

I bet you also believed Rodney King was resisting arrest? He should've laid down on the ground and not moved while police officers were beating him with batons? 

 

Yeah, this is your model of decent citizens being mistreated by police. Pathetic.

Rodney King was drunk, and a drug user behind the wheel on a freeway and wouldn't pull over for cops. The chase reached speeds over 110 mph. Then King got off the highway and sped through suburban streets up to 80 mph putting innocent people's lives at risk. He didn't want to be pulled over because he was on parole (go figure)  for other criminal activities he committed. 

After King got his money for being beaten up, he promptly blew that, having decided no to go get himself educated, he continued his life of drugs and alcohol, this other crap including running his car into his wife...

King was subject to further arrests and convictions for driving violations after the 1991 incident, as he struggled with alcoholism and drug addiction. On August 21, 1993, he crashed his car into a block wall in downtown Los Angeles.^[64] He was convicted of driving under the influence of alcohol, fined, and entered a rehabilitation program, after which he was placed on probation. In July 1995, he was arrested by Alhambra police after hitting his wife with his car and knocking her to the ground. He was sentenced to 90 days in jail after being convicted of hit and run.^[65]

On August 27, 2003, King was arrested again for speeding and running a red light while under the influence of alcohol. He failed to yield to police officers and slammed his vehicle into a house, breaking his pelvis

[Cruzer 1,996]

This is a perfect example of both. 

Floyd's own stubborn stupidity led to his death.............and Chauvin used excessive force to cause his death. 

Manslaughter, 10 years and move on. 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

9 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

This is a perfect example of both. 

Floyd's own stubborn stupidity led to his death.............and Chauvin used excessive force to cause his death. 

Manslaughter, 10 years and move on. 

Floyd might not have been a model citizen, but that’s largely irrelevant. I mean unless you buy the cause of death was an OD, it’s just neither here nor there.

Murder 2, 25 years. Is that really so bad? Doesn’t that POS Chauvin deserve it? Floyd got a death sentence, without due process.

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Floyd might not have been a model citizen, but that’s largely irrelevant. I mean unless you buy the cause of death was an OD, it’s just neither here nor there.

Murder 2, 25 years. Is that really so bad? Doesn’t that POS Chauvin deserve it? Floyd got a death sentence, without due process.

True, and I'd be ok with that too......... But in keeping the peace, I think 10 years is a fair compromise. 

The problem is, the George Floyd crowd will never acknowledge his dumb ass would still be alive if he simply had sat in the backseat. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

12 hours ago, kozmiq said:

or do some of you, for whatever reasons that you will explain, want to argue otherwise.

Why should anyone explain themselves to liberals?  Liberals never explain themselves, they just ignore everything and go on offense.  That's arguably one of the weakest points of conservatives.  They are too quick to shift back on their heels on defense instead of hit back.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

35 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

True, and I'd be ok with that too......... But in keeping the peace, I think 10 years is a fair compromise. 

The problem is, the George Floyd crowd will never acknowledge his dumb ass would still be alive if he simply had sat in the backseat. 

Sure. Doesn’t mean you can murder him though

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I mean maybe a little rough treatment. An unfavorable spot in the jail. Oh you’re supposed to see the judge in 24 hours but whoops, the paperwork got mixed up.

That’s all perfectly typical. But killing the motherfocker? I’d submit its a little over the line.

[bostonlager 2,678]

7 hours ago, wiffleball said:

Is it true that he donated his nostrils so his mama could have a two-car garage?

Is she locked into that or can she upgrade to a Darryl Strawberry oversized 2 car?

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1 hour ago, Cruzer said:

Manslaughter, 10 years and move on. 

Admittedly, I haven't followed the case and don't know all the facts.

But from what I've read, it sounds like Floyd likely died from a combo of drugs AND the cop kneeling on him.  It's like two bad drivers who meet in an accident. Ya have to sort out to what degree each was at fault. If it's 95% Floyd and 5% cop, then "10 years" seems way excessive. If those percentages are right, then I'd say probation only or perhaps 6-months. 

Whatever it is, it won't be enough for the black community. So there will definitely be some cool riot video in our near future.

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GFIAFP  

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1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

If it's 95% Floyd and 5% cop, then "10 years" seems way excessive. If those percentages are right, then I'd say probation only or perhaps 6-months. 

Every cop in the chain of command, including the Chief and Lt. who trained him, has come out and said he applied excessive force not in line with department regulations. 

95% Floyd is as rose colored as it gets, almost ludicrous. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,674]

George was bigger then the average guy and seem to be a bit whacked out at the time. Dude is handcuffed behind his back face first on the ground. How much threat is he when you have like 5 other officers there to back you up? You are so worried you have to put your knee on his neck for 9 minutes ? Manslaughter sounds right to me!

[Voltaire 5,530]

3 hours ago, NorthernVike said:

GFIAFP  

When 5 Points typed “GF,” it took me a moment to pause and recalibrate my brain.

[BeenHereBefore 1,674]

Did any of you ever get handcuffed behind your back ? I did about 20 years ago and you can't do nothing but maybe kick. Damn I miss that girl that did that to me and fun times. Thank god she didn't put her knee of my neck. Thank God she told me the safe word was Brett Farve if I needed to use it. She was a crazy Packers fan but a lot of fun, Point being trust me you are helpless and no threat to others when that happens. No reason for a knee to the neck!

[Voltaire 5,530]

26 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Did any of you ever get handcuffed behind your back ? I did about 20 years ago and you can't do nothing but maybe kick. Damn I miss that girl that did that to me and fun times. Thank god she didn't put her knee of my neck. Thank God she told me the safe word was Brett Farve if I needed to use it. She was a crazy Packers fan but a lot of fun, Point being trust me you are helpless and no threat to others when that happens. No reason for a knee to the neck!

You have to take into consideration that Floyd didn’t get arrested by a freaky chick. He was arrested by Derek Chauvin, not Lynddie England. I can’t imagine that would be any fun at all.

[BeenHereBefore 1,674]

6 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

You have to take into consideration that Floyd didn’t get arrested by a freaky chick. He was arrested by Derek Chauvin, not Lynddie England. I can’t imagine that would be any fun at all.

Exactly no fun at all and he was helpless handcuffed behind the back. Total abuse of power and  Chauvin deserves manslaughter at least.  There was no need for that at all, He is a real threat wiggling on the ground in front of all the other armed LE ? No citizen deserves that when they are no longer a threat.

[Voltaire 5,530]

15 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Exactly no fun at all and he was helpless handcuffed behind the back. Total abuse of power and  Chauvin deserves manslaughter at least.  There was no need for that at all, He is a real threat wiggling on the ground in front of all the other armed LE ? No citizen deserves that when they are no longer a threat.

I think manslaughter is where I would fall too. Chauvin was using a technique approved and taught by his department so I don’t see any motivation or intent. If Floyd was healthy this wouldn’t have exacerbated his condition enough to do him in. 

I guess a new, clearer angle indicates that we are looking at him kneeling on the back now, nor neck? Is that the accepted consensus?

If a guy is complaining about breathing difficulties, kneeling on him like that for 9 minutes shows an utter disregard for his life. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,674]

8 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I think manslaughter is where I would fall too. Chauvin was using a technique approved and taught by his department so I don’t see any motivation or intent. If Floyd was healthy this wouldn’t have exacerbated his condition enough to do him in. 

I guess a new, clearer angle indicates that we are looking at him kneeling on the back now, nor neck? Is that the accepted consensus?

If a guy is complaining about breathing difficulties, kneeling on him like that for 9 minutes shows an utter disregard for his life. 

Think we agree and specially if the guy is complaining about breathing like you mentioned. He is not going anywhere and true about the handcuffs behind your back. Yes at least manslaughter works for me. Will they still riot though and want more ? Cause we know this case is going to end in manslaughter.

[Alias Detective 1,474]

15 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

It is interesting to me these Trump supporters died of drugs or cardiovascular disease while entering the CapitolBuilding.  Like they just collapsed upon entrance.  I wonder if there was any struggle?  Were any officers involved?  

• Kevin Greeson, 55, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. Greeson, of Athens, Alabama, had a Twitter account in which he supported former President Donald Trump and profanely denounced his opponents.

• Benjamin Phillips, 50, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Phillips of Ringtown, Pennsylvania, was a computer programmer who founded a social media website for Trump supporters. He had organized a trip of several dozen people to the district.

• Roseanne Boyland, 34, died by accident from acute amphetamine intoxication. Boyland, of Georgia, wanted to be a sobriety counselor and followed QAnon conspiracies, her family said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/07/capitol-riot-deaths-cause-death-released-4-5-not-sicknick/7128040002/

Now with Good ‘Ole Floyd, it was not his health or the consumed drugs that could have killed him.  Nope, we are all supposed to believe a cop is guilty of murder?

 

i don’t think so.

 

9 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Floyd might not have been a model citizen, but that’s largely irrelevant. I mean unless you buy the cause of death was an OD, it’s just neither here nor there.

Murder 2, 25 years. Is that really so bad? Doesn’t that POS Chauvin deserve it? Floyd got a death sentence, without due process.

You fockers hitched your wagon to the wrong person.  Just admit it.

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2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I think manslaughter is where I would fall too. Chauvin was using a technique approved and taught by his department so I don’t see any motivation or intent. If Floyd was healthy this wouldn’t have exacerbated his condition enough to do him in. 

I guess a new, clearer angle indicates that we are looking at him kneeling on the back now, nor neck? Is that the accepted consensus?

If a guy is complaining about breathing difficulties, kneeling on him like that for 9 minutes shows an utter disregard for his life. 

"I CAN'T BREAVE!" is the go to for people, especially blacks, when dealing with police these days. I don't blame Chauvin for ignoring it. Odds were Floyd was full of sh!t. As it turned out, the odds were incorrect. We should blame the thousands of other asshoIes who falsely claimed they couldn't breathe to get out of a focking ticket. 

Also, let's not forget that Floyd was combative and irrational. He was also lying in the street. Chauvin had to maintain control of him. He could very easily have rolled into traffic and gotten hit by a car. 

The medical examiner's report didn't say anything about bruising on the neck. If Chauvin had applied enough pressure to stop blood or air flow for nine minutes, there would surely be some bruising or abrasions on Floyd's neck. There wasn't any. 

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6 hours ago, Cruzer said:

Every cop in the chain of command, including the Chief and Lt. who trained him, has come out and said he applied excessive force not in line with department regulations. 

95% Floyd is as rose colored as it gets, almost ludicrous. 

Guess you aren’t really watching and reading the headlines. This is blatantly false

If you would take time to watch even the video I posted you would know this

the guy who trained him which was the prosecutors star witness said Chauvin was well within guidelines to use a taser which is more force and he chose to restrain him rather then tase him due to his drug state. He also stated in that situation as long as Floyd is continuing to kick and struggle he’s absolutely allowed to use the restraint method. They even talk about the mob surround and having to be on alert of potential issues related to that. This expert witness was so validating for the defense they even want to call him back to the stand as a defense witness. 

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9 hours ago, Cruzer said:

This is a perfect example of both. 

Floyd's own stubborn stupidity led to his death.............and Chauvin used excessive force to cause his death. 

Manslaughter, 10 years and move on. 

Actually the reality of it is he had 3-4 times the lethal dose of fentonyl in his system and was the major cause of death. 30 seconds of a knee on his neck didnt asphyxiate him. Maybe it sped up the process but the dude was overdosing regardless. 

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9 hours ago, Cruzer said:

This is a perfect example of both. 

Floyd's own stubborn stupidity led to his death.............and Chauvin used excessive force to cause his death. 

Manslaughter, 10 years and move on. 

Yup

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2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I think manslaughter is where I would fall too. Chauvin was using a technique approved and taught by his department so I don’t see any motivation or intent. If Floyd was healthy this wouldn’t have exacerbated his condition enough to do him in. 

I guess a new, clearer angle indicates that we are looking at him kneeling on the back now, nor neck? Is that the accepted consensus?

If a guy is complaining about breathing difficulties, kneeling on him like that for 9 minutes shows an utter disregard for his life. 

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Inspector Katie Blackwell, who commands the Minneapolis Police Department's 5th Precinct and used to run the department's police training, methodically told the court on Monday that former officer Derek Chauvin went against authorized training when he used his knee on George Floyd's neck to pin him to the ground.

After describing the training that Chauvin, whom she said she has known for 20 years, has received throughout his career, Blackwell said his technique — kneeling on Floyd's neck while the Black man lay on his stomach — was not a maneuver the training operation taught.

"Is this a trained technique ... by the Minneapolis Police Department when you were overseeing the training?" prosecutor Steven Schleicher asked.

"It is not," Blackwell responded

"Why not?" Schleicher probed.

"Per policy, a neck restraint is compressing one or both sides of the neck, using an arm or a leg. But what we train is using one arm or two arms to do a neck restraint," she said.

"And how does this differ?"

"I don't know what kind of improvised position that is. So that's not what we train," Blackwell said.

She also told jurors that officers are trained about the dangers of keeping a person in a position that can limit the person's ability to breathe — a concept called "positional asphyxia."

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,050]

When do the Democrat sanctioned riots start? Looking forward to Biden, with Kamala at his side (optics), pleading with the mob and saying “we hear you”. It’s all a script at this point. 

[porkbutt 897]

maybe cops can just go back to how i played cops and robbers as a kid....we just yelled "freeze!!!!" and the bad guy would just stop.

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8 hours ago, Cruzer said:

Every cop in the chain of command, including the Chief and Lt. who trained him, has come out and said he applied excessive force not in line with department regulations. 

95% Floyd is as rose colored as it gets, almost ludicrous. 

No they haven't.  You're only listening to one side of the story.  You should get off places like CNN and find sources that tell the whole story.  You're clearly not watching the trial.

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15 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Yeah, this is your model of decent citizens being mistreated by police. Pathetic.

Rodney King was drunk, and a drug user behind the wheel on a freeway and wouldn't pull over for cops. The chase reached speeds over 110 mph. Then King got off the highway and sped through suburban streets up to 80 mph putting innocent people's lives at risk. He didn't want to be pulled over because he was on parole (go figure)  for other criminal activities he committed. 

After King got his money for being beaten up, he promptly blew that, having decided no to go get himself educated, he continued his life of drugs and alcohol, this other crap including running his car into his wife...

King was subject to further arrests and convictions for driving violations after the 1991 incident, as he struggled with alcoholism and drug addiction. On August 21, 1993, he crashed his car into a block wall in downtown Los Angeles.^[64] He was convicted of driving under the influence of alcohol, fined, and entered a rehabilitation program, after which he was placed on probation. In July 1995, he was arrested by Alhambra police after hitting his wife with his car and knocking her to the ground. He was sentenced to 90 days in jail after being convicted of hit and run.^[65]

On August 27, 2003, King was arrested again for speeding and running a red light while under the influence of alcohol. He failed to yield to police officers and slammed his vehicle into a house, breaking his pelvis

And yet, no one beat Dylan Roof and he was not a model citizen. 

[Alias Detective 1,474]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

And yet, no one beat Dylan Roof and he was not a model citizen. 

I must be in your DNA.  You just don’t get it.  

[Hardcore troubadour 16,050]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

And yet, no one beat Dylan Roof and he was not a model citizen. 

No one beat OJ either. Why do you fall for such foolish propaganda?