jerryskids 5,430 Posted May 6, 2022 My thoughts on this topic. Pretend you are interested... The primary purpose of a living organism, animal or plant, is arguably to perpetuate the species; to have baby [insert organisms] which evolve ever so slightly better than yourself. So morally, it is difficult to see why you would allow this process except in extreme circumstances, as in some ways this is worse than murder. And scientifically as an engineer, I scratch my head that any species could evolve to a point where a significant portion of them want to not fulfill this most basic of functions. Perhaps this is why we haven't been visited by aliens (allegedly) -- Nature has a cruel way of having organisms kill themselves off if they get too intrusive into the world it lives in. Anyway, I see the need for it in a similar way as @Massholeposted earlier. Entitlements only work if people don't default to wanting them. And in many ways, abortion had become an entitlement. For example, welfare works if people generally want to avoid it, using it only as a last result. Or if you prefer, many rights only work if you accept associated responsibilities. You have free speech but you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. You can vote but you are expected to educate yourself on the topics. Abortion only works if it is a last resort. As such I think there should be a blanket (federal) "last resort" statute. We can argue the specifics: mother's life in danger is obvious (although it wasn't that long ago that it wasn't), rape, incest, unviable... This should be legislative (congress), not judicial. The states can then decide where they go up from there. I believe that most people would agree with this. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,671 Posted May 6, 2022 58 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I think he’s saying not everyone agrees a fetus is always a life except science says a fetus is a life, so there is that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,914 Posted May 7, 2022 33 minutes ago, jerryskids said: My thoughts on this topic. Pretend you are interested... The primary purpose of a living organism, animal or plant, is arguably to perpetuate the species; to have baby [insert organisms] which evolve ever so slightly better than yourself. So morally, it is difficult to see why you would allow this process except in extreme circumstances, as in some ways this is worse than murder. And scientifically as an engineer, I scratch my head that any species could evolve to a point where a significant portion of them want to not fulfill this most basic of functions. Perhaps this is why we haven't been visited by aliens (allegedly) -- Nature has a cruel way of having organisms kill themselves off if they get too intrusive into the world it lives in. Anyway, I see the need for it in a similar way as @Massholeposted earlier. Entitlements only work if people don't default to wanting them. And in many ways, abortion had become an entitlement. For example, welfare works if people generally want to avoid it, using it only as a last result. Or if you prefer, many rights only work if you accept associated responsibilities. You have free speech but you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. You can vote but you are expected to educate yourself on the topics. Abortion only works if it is a last resort. As such I think there should be a blanket (federal) "last resort" statute. We can argue the specifics: mother's life in danger is obvious (although it wasn't that long ago that it wasn't), rape, incest, unviable... This should be legislative (congress), not judicial. The states can then decide where they go up from there. I believe that most people would agree with this. I pretended. Hopefully I get a shark toof from Bill! I align with your views for the most part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,988 Posted May 7, 2022 Remember, if we find a micro organism on another planet we have discovered life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 7, 2022 3 hours ago, TimHauck said: I think he’s saying not everyone agrees a fetus is always a life Yeah. It's not a life when it's dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,888 Posted May 7, 2022 2 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: except science says a fetus is a life, so there is that Except it wouldn’t be able to survive without the woman’s body Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Except it wouldn’t be able to survive without the woman’s body Stupid take. If someone was dependant upon me to keep them alive and I simply decided to think, "abort", then no harm no foul? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,741 Posted May 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Except it wouldn’t be able to survive without the woman’s body We could stretch your dumbass statement out aaaaaallllllll day 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,888 Posted May 7, 2022 30 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: Stupid take. If someone was dependant upon me to keep them alive and I simply decided to think, "abort", then no harm no foul? Well that’s how the Supreme Court currently thinks until they say otherwise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Well that’s how the Supreme Court currently thinks until they say otherwise No they don't. They limit it to mothers killing their kids. Hopefully it changes. Let us all kill who we think is a burdon on us. Just like those who kill babies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted May 7, 2022 11 hours ago, TimHauck said: Except it wouldn’t be able to survive without the woman’s body Are you a biologist? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,988 Posted May 7, 2022 11 hours ago, TimHauck said: Except it wouldn’t be able to survive without the woman’s body So when is the time that it can? How many weeks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,888 Posted May 7, 2022 43 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: So when is the time that it can? How many weeks? Sounds like around 22 https://www.babycenter.com/baby/premature-babies/when-can-my-baby-survive-outside-the-womb_10419991 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 7, 2022 12 hours ago, TimHauck said: Well that’s how the Supreme Court currently thinks until they say otherwise Well, we'll see how that turns out. What amazes me is that so many people go out and rally and fight and scream and start violence all because they want the right to go get pregnant and kill the kid afterwards. It's bizzare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,430 Posted May 7, 2022 2 hours ago, TimHauck said: Sounds like around 22 https://www.babycenter.com/baby/premature-babies/when-can-my-baby-survive-outside-the-womb_10419991 The challenge with this is that technology continues to improve, and we will get to the point where the baby will survive outside of the womb from the moment of conception. Then what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,711 Posted May 7, 2022 From the same people who think it might have been a conservative who leaked the draft. I give you CNN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, Reality said: From the same people who think it might have been a conservative who leaked the draft. I give you CNN. Awesome. Next up, white supremecy, again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,888 Posted May 8, 2022 7 hours ago, jerryskids said: The challenge with this is that technology continues to improve, and we will get to the point where the baby will survive outside of the womb from the moment of conception. Then what? If that becomes possible then they’ll probably have a way to deliver it too, so no if that happens then there may not be any need for abortion since they can just deliver the baby immediately and then put it up for adoption. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,988 Posted May 8, 2022 Abortion is immoral, there is no denying that. The question is if it’s legal or not. When the pro choice side attempts to gain some moral high forums in the issue you have to laugh at them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,602 Posted May 8, 2022 The justices should drop everything not related to hearing new cases, spend whatever time it takes to finalizing this decision as their top priority, knock out a final version. Hopefully then the protestors go home so they can get on with their lives. They don't want these people harassing them constantly and potentially endangering them, just pull the plug on their favorite law as quickly as possible, make them cry and wail, and tell them to fock off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,087 Posted May 8, 2022 On 5/6/2022 at 8:43 PM, Hardcore troubadour said: Remember, if we find a micro organism on another planet we have discovered life. I've been searching all weekend for the :spikes a football: emoticon for this post. :sadbanana: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloaca du jour 2,084 Posted May 8, 2022 Msm is having a circle jerk over this trying to rally dem voters up. Today has an aricle that says worries of major violence against clinics...wait..what?? Libs are never violent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 8, 2022 Wasn't this a country song at one point? Mama's don't let yer babies grow up to be living..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,803 Posted May 8, 2022 This is what the leaker was hoping for. They should all be arrested and charged with conspiracy to intimidate a Supreme Court Justice and Insurrection. Throw them all in jail with no bail until their court dates sometime in 2024. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, 5-Points said: This is what the leaker was hoping for. Coat hangers on signs and drawn on the pavement? These people act like murdering kids is a given, now it's just about how they do it is what they are fighting for. Fock. I swear to God, if someone were to walk out of one of those home and mow these people down with shot guns ablazin, I would cheer it on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,465 Posted May 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, 5-Points said: This is what the leaker was hoping for. They should all be arrested and charged with conspiracy to intimidate a Supreme Court Justice and Insurrection. Throw them all in jail with no bail until their court dates sometime in 2024. We all know how the media would portray the "protesters" if the roles were reversed. Rusty and the Super smart moderates would be in here condemning them. Rinos like Romney and Bush would say this is an attack on our democracy. The media would pant them as insurrectionists attacking the judicial branch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,803 Posted May 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: Coat hangers on signs and drawn on the pavement? These people act like murdering kids is a given, now it's just about how they do it is what they are fighting for. Fock. I swear to God, if someone were to walk out of one of those home and mow these people down with shot guns ablazin, I would cheer it on. Yet these same people with throw a tantrum if we did away with child support. How dare you tell a woman she can't abort her baby? But we're all good with forcing a man to pay for a kid he didn't want. New law, if you choose to have a kid that the father doesnt want, he can give you $500 for an abortion and walk away. Fair is fair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, 5-Points said: Yet these same people with throw a tantrum if we did away with child support. How dare you tell a woman she can't abort her baby? But we're all good with forcing a man to pay for a kid he didn't want. New law, if you choose to have a kid that the father doesnt want, he can give you $500 for an abortion and walk away. Fair is fair. Yes. Excellent take. Why shouldn't the other half of the DNA have a say and this is a great way to approach it. If it was consensual sex, it was consensual sex to have a baby. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,803 Posted May 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: We all know how the media would portray the "protesters" if the roles were reversed. Rusty and the Super smart moderates would be in here condemning them. Rinos like Romney and Bush would say this is an attack on our democracy. The media would pant them as insurrectionists attacking the judicial branch. Of course. And the mouth breathers would lap it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLCKAA 421 Posted May 8, 2022 The people who say that life doesn’t begin at conception are the same people who would laud the discovery of alien life if a single amoeba was found in a scoop of dirt on Mars. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,836 Posted May 8, 2022 I love the irony of liberal pro abortion whack jobs wishing their mothers a happy mothers day today. Probably happy their mom didnt think like they did Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: I love the irony of liberal pro abortion whack jobs wishing their mothers a happy mothers day today. Probably happy their mom didnt think like they did It is a surreal liberal world we live in now isn't it? Mother's day. Let's go protest against people who don't want us to kill our kids. George Orwell was a superhero. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted May 8, 2022 1 hour ago, MLCKAA said: The people who say that life doesn’t begin at conception are the same people who would laud the discovery of alien life if a single amoeba was found in a scoop of dirt on Mars. It's never been about any of that. Women want to do what they want to do. But they need some plausible rationalization to help them sleep at night. So they have invented all sorts of discussions on the beginning of life. Dumb men jump on board when it's just women not getting their way. We all know life begins at conception. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: It's never been about any of that. Women want to do what they want to do. But they need some plausible rationalization to help them sleep at night. So they have invented all sorts of discussions on the beginning of life. Dumb men jump on board when it's just women not getting their way. We all know life begins at conception. The focus is all on the wrong target. Stop the abortions, and increase the death penalty. You can not tell me that at least 50+% of the people held in maximum security prisons don't deserve to die. Get rid of the cancer. And kids aren't the cancer, the parent are. So if they feel the need to abort their kids, abort them both. Parents wanting to abort their kids is a sign to kill the parents. They are a cancer on society. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,711 Posted May 8, 2022 Terrorizing justices is an actual threat to democracy. Interesting how it's being covered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,888 Posted May 8, 2022 39 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: The focus is all on the wrong target. Stop the abortions, and increase the death penalty. You can not tell me that at least 50+% of the people held in maximum security prisons don't deserve to die. Get rid of the cancer. And kids aren't the cancer, the parent are. So if they feel the need to abort their kids, abort them both. Parents wanting to abort their kids is a sign to kill the parents. They are a cancer on society. Ok cool so you are OK with murder then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,803 Posted May 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Reality said: Terrorizing justices is an actual threat to democracy. Interesting how it's being covered. But it's the kind of threat the left wants so it's all good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,988 Posted May 8, 2022 Had a cop in uniform at mass today. He was t there for white supremacists, the alleged biggest domestic terrorist threat. The left in this country are pure scum. Makes me sick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 8, 2022 1 hour ago, TimHauck said: Ok cool so you are OK with murder then Yep. Right in line with those who agree with abortion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites