Coronavirus - Doomsday

[edjr 6,608]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

Something is wrong with your math. Check with Joe Biden.

42%, 45% like that matters.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

42%, 45% like that matters.

Link? There is no way they can know how many people were exposed and didn’t get it.

[lod001 1,344]

All you walking bug factories just need to stay the fock away from me.

[naomi 356]

Important thread.

 

[Strike 5,606]

1 hour ago, naomi said:

Important thread.

 

Why?  Random Twitter threads don't immediately become "important, especially when they make unsubstantiated claims. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

3 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Or you could just do a quick Google Search.  This came up first for me.

We Spoke to Six Americans With Coronavirus

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/coronavirus-recovery.html

 The time of the article shows it posted online AFTER I my comment. 

[Alias Detective 1,411]

1 hour ago, naomi said:

Important thread.

 

 

34 minutes ago, Strike said:

Why?  Random Twitter threads don't immediately become "important, especially when they make unsubstantiated claims. 

Here is her twitter feed.  I would NOT believe a single word she said.  Sorry.

 

https://twitter.com/DarcyBurner?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

[NorthernVike 2,087]

My wife came back from Vegas this morning.   I'm gonna die. 

[Reality 3,121]

2 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

My wife came back from Vegas this morning.   I'm gonna die. 

Weird, I just got back from Vegas...

[drobeski 3,061]

4 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

 

Here is her twitter feed.  I would NOT believe a single word she said.  Sorry.

 

https://twitter.com/DarcyBurner?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

Nutty leftard

[Alias Detective 1,411]

Just now, drobeski said:

Nutty leftard

Gospel to Naomi and or C.H.  Laughable really.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

8 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

My wife came back from Vegas this morning.   I'm gonna die. 

Pretty sure everything stays in Vegas. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

43 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

 The time of the article shows it posted online AFTER I my comment. 

That is the update time.  Otherwise, I am a time traveler since I posted right after you did and the article had been there for 21 hours. 

[naomi 356]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Why?  Random Twitter threads don't immediately become "important, especially when they make unsubstantiated claims. 

Important because it's on the ground information about what's happening.

Partisanship is not on my radar. Is she embellishing out of partisanship? Maybe. But it's precarious to BS all of that when you have a reputation on the line. I think Seattle has a really difficult situation on their hands and this lady is getting the word out. 

But beyond that, I'm just sharing so cool heads can prevail when their communities begin to have problems. Some foreknowledge. Consider it hypothetical. Doesn't matter to me.

[Alias Detective 1,411]

3 minutes ago, naomi said:

Important because it's on the ground information about what's happening.

Partisanship is not on my radar. Is she embellishing out of partisanship? Maybe. But it's precarious to BS all of that when you have a reputation on the line. I think Seattle has a really difficult situation on their hands and this lady is getting the word out. 

But beyond that, I'm just sharing so cool heads can prevail when their communities begin to have problems. Some foreknowledge. Consider it hypothetical. Doesn't matter to me.

I trust what I’m being told by our government not someone looking to dismantle our government.

[naomi 356]

I have generally supported the POTUS since 2016, despite a lot of cringe worthy stuff.

The two virus briefings I saw were incredibly bad. There's been a federal beauracratic mess taking place in the response to this, and it's not Trump's fault imo, but I definitely find info via Twitter with either professional or local sources to be ahead of the two briefings I saw and a little more revealing. The political leaders are walking a line of not suppressing quite too much, yet more importantly to them, framing things to make people feel secure about the fed response. Which they shouldn't imo. But I understand it from a public management POV.

[DonS 3,292]

47 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Pretty sure everything stays in Vegas. 

Except AIDS and the bastard child in her belly. 

[drobeski 3,061]

10 minutes ago, naomi said:

I have generally supported the POTUS since 2016, despite a lot of cringe worthy stuff.

The two virus briefings I saw were incredibly bad. There's been a federal beauracratic mess taking place in the response to this, and it's not Trump's fault imo, but I definitely find info via Twitter with either professional or local sources to be ahead of the two briefings I saw and a little more revealing. The political leaders are walking a line of not suppressing quite too much, yet more importantly to them, framing things to make people feel secure about the fed response. Which they shouldn't imo. But I understand it from a public management POV.

Well if the CDC hadn't been busy wasting time and money on things like a brand new 500 million dollar headquarters and studies on why lesbians are fat, what effects alchohol has on monkeys and a ton of other stupid bullsh!t maybe they would have been a little more prepared. 

[Strike 5,606]

45 minutes ago, naomi said:

Important because it's on the ground information about what's happening.

Partisanship is not on my radar. Is she embellishing out of partisanship? Maybe. But it's precarious to BS all of that when you have a reputation on the line. I think Seattle has a really difficult situation on their hands and this lady is getting the word out. 

But beyond that, I'm just sharing so cool heads can prevail when their communities begin to have problems. Some foreknowledge. Consider it hypothetical. Doesn't matter to me.

On the ground information?  Because she lives in Washington state?  FFS.  She's not a health care professional.  She's posting her own random thoughts.  Might as well link to Jack Handey's twitter.

[Gladiators 1,995]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

On the ground information?  Because she lives in Washington state?  FFS.  She's not a health care professional.  She's posting her own random thoughts.  Might as well link to Jack Handey's twitter.

But she's a brave woman dammit!!!

[DonS 3,292]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

On the ground information?  Because she lives in Washington state?  FFS.  She's not a health care professional.  She's posting her own random thoughts.  Might as well link to Jack Handey's twitter.

What about me?  I'm at ground zero!!! 

[Gladiators 1,995]

1 minute ago, DonS said:

What about me?  I'm at ground zero!!! 

Well, do you have anything to Twitter?

[DonS 3,292]

1 minute ago, Gladiators said:

Well, do you have anything to Twitter?

Ah!  That's the problem. I don't use Twitter so I can be safely ignored.  They don't let just anyone have an account. 

[Gladiators 1,995]

Just now, DonS said:

Ah!  That's the problem. I don't use Twitter so I can be safely ignored.  They don't let just anyone have an account. 

That's unfortunate.  However, there is good news.  Since it appears you're the only GC member at ground zero, your comments likely hold the most weight.  You can be the GC's Darcy Burner!

[naomi 356]

7 hours ago, Strike said:

On the ground information?  Because she lives in Washington state?  FFS.  She's not a health care professional.  She's posting her own random thoughts.  Might as well link to Jack Handey's twitter.

So the only person you would dignify to share insight about what's happening in a community is a medical worker? Someone who lives, works and owns a business in the community doesn't qualify as on the ground, despite being...on the ground, there. 

Medical workers are in the trenches. That's how it works 

[naomi 356]

4 hours ago, DonS said:

They don't let just anyone have an account. 

[Fireballer 2,644]

This cant be good.  

 

[naomi 356]

The CDC at work:

 

[drobeski 3,061]

https://www.mrc.org/articles/hey-journalists-15-ways-nih-and-cdc-wasted-taxpayer-money

Amidst the Ebola crisis, the government’s premier health agencies are burning their taxpayer funded budgets on wasteful programs faster than drunken monkeys. Based on a recent $3.2 million NIH study focused exclusively on getting monkeys drunk, that’s an analogy researchers should readily understand.

That’s not the story that is getting told by journalists. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) are busy leveraging the Ebola crisis to demand more taxpayer dollars from Congress with the media's help.

The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein appeared on “NOW with Alex Wagner” Oct. 14, to give the big government side of the issue. “I interviewed the director of NIH, Dr. Francis Collins, and his point to me was that a 10-year slide, not just a two- or three-year slide, a 10-year slide in research funding had set that institution back in terms of its study of vaccines for Ebola,” said Stein. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer tried to put the blame on the GOP-run House of Representatives, asking that same day, “Is Congress doing enough.”

Even The Washington Post called the left’s argument blaming budget cuts on the GOP “absurd.”

A bigger issue has been the media’s unwillingness to point to wasteful spending at both NIH and CDC. The two award about 64,000 research grants annually with little incentive for responsible spending under “secretive, autocratic and unaccountable” leadership, according to a former health official.

Many of these taxpayer-funded studies are a combination of absurd, like spending $181,406 getting Japanese quail high on cocaine, and downright offensive, like one project costing $544,188 studying how to convince young girls to get the HPV vaccine. Surely, these two agencies could find ways to run their operations more efficiently. By way of comparison, the combined budgets the U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, FBI, DEA and Secret Service came to nearly $1 billion less than the NIH and CDC combined budgets.

If NIH and CDC are still having trouble coming up with ways to fund their fight against Ebola, here is a list of 15 wasteful programs totaling $15,135,574,669.00 where they could have saved:

• Telling Taxpayers How to Eat ($15 billion) – Yes, that’s billion with a “b” in front. In a massive overstep of government power, Obamacare carved out $15 billion for Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to convince Americans to make “healthy” choices through “Community Transformation Grants” (CTG). The CTG program “supports efforts to modify behavior through anti-obesity campaigns, as well as anti-smoking and pro-sin tax regulations and legislation” at the state and local levels, according to the bipartisan Citizens Against Government Waste.
• Grant Money to China ($90 million) – NIH awarded more than $90 million to Chinese researchers. This included $2 million to develop a vaccine for a parasite disease common in China. The Traditional Values Coalition asked, “As our country heads to fiscal ruin, why are we giving millions in taxpayer dollars to Chinese science — which benefits China and its institutions — when they hold more than $1 trillion in American debt?”
• Duplicate Agricultural Programs ($22 million) – CDC spent $22 million on their Agriculture, Forestry, and Fishing Program.  The problem? This project was nearly identical to efforts already underway at the Department of Agriculture. CDC allotted $181,966 for developing a smart phone app for specialized farmers in Tennessee.
• “Why Are Lesbians Fat?” ($2.87 million) – That’s one question NIH has decided to research for the last four years, spending more than $2.87 million so far on the project. The ongoing study is meant to explain why “women of minority sexual orientation are disproportionately affected by the obesity epidemic,” operating under the claim that “three-quarters” of lesbians are obese. First funded in 2011, the study is slated to continue into 2016.
• Promoting HPV Vaccine for Young Girls ($544,188) – CDC provided $544,188 for a study on how to boost the number of young girls getting Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) vaccinations in Los Angeles County. Although CDC says the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risk, it counts 772 serious adverse side effects, including 32 deaths, among the millions of doses administered to young girls between June, 2006, and December, 2008. Parents have raised moral objections as to whether young girls should receive the vaccine, which covers four sexually transmitted diseases.
• Drunken Monkeys ($3.2 million) – NIH spent $3.2 million getting monkeys drunk just to see what would happen.  The agency apparently has quite a fascination with excessive drinking, since it also “doled out money in recent years for research on binge-drinking mice, inebriated gamblers and pilots seeking the sensation of flying drunk,” according to The Washington Times.
• Bizarre Sex Studies ($1.5 million) – Congress voted to give NIH $1.5 million to spend on four obscure sex studies: “Mood Arousal and Sexual Risk Taking,” “Study on Sexual Habits of Older Men,” “Study on San Francisco’s Asian Prostitutes/Masseuses,” and “Study on American Indian Transgender Research.” NIH still received the requested funds from Congress, despite efforts by Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., in 2004 to defund the projects.
• Funds for Homosexual Activists in Public Schools ($1.4 million) – CDC gave The Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network (GLSEN), the homosexual activist group, $1.4 million to create “safe spaces” in public schools starting in 2011. The funding will be distributed during a five year period, as GLSEN works in 20 targeted school districts across the country. GLSEN Executive Director Eliza Byard claimed in 2011 that safe spaces “are vital to these students’ health, success in school and life prospects."
• Centers for ‘Gun Disease’ Prevention ($2.6 million) – CDC spent $2.6 million on studies that also seemed to favor greater gun control before when Congress defunded the research in 1999. Apparently Congress thought CDC had more important issues to study, like how to control actual diseases. For FY 2015, President Obama is asking Congress to grant CDC $22.2 million in new funding to study and prevent gun violence.  Obama has made similar requests in previous years, though unsuccessfully.
• National Institutes of ‘Gun Control’ ($5 million) – Separately from the CDC, NIH also handed out nearly $5 million for research promoting gun control as of October, 2009, according to an article in The Washington Times. NIH pursued research on “gun related violence,” despite the issue being well outside the organization’s typical domain. Grants included “$642,561 in taxpayer funds to learn how inner-city teenagers whose friends, acquaintances and peers carry firearms and drink alcohol on street corners could show up in emergency rooms with gunshot wounds.”
• Cocaine Enhances Japanese Quail’s Sex Drive ($181,406) – No joke, this was a real study sponsored by NIH and slated to run through next year. Why quail? Because “quail provide a convenient and interesting alternative to standard laboratory rats and pigeons.”
• Empowering Women to Choose Contraception … in Jail ($279,789) – Liberals have long battled to expand women’s access to contraceptives. So in June 2012, NIH allocated $279,789 “to improve contraceptive use for incarcerated women” as they neared the end of their jail time. The program, which ran from June 1, 2008, through on May 31, 2014, was ultimately intended to reduce unexpected pregnancies and Sexually Transmitted Infections (STIs) among recently incarcerated women.
• Bogus AIDS Experiments ($4.9 million) – Results of an HIV/AIDS vaccine study funded by NIH were faked by researcher at Iowa State University (ISU), calling into question $19 million in grants awarded to the same researcher over the years. “Inauthentic” samples throughout a period of four years made the vaccine reportedly appear far more effective than it actually was. Although NIH refused to pay ISU the final installment of the grant money, the university was allowed to keep more than $4.9 million after paying back the researcher’s salary – nearly three-quarters of the original grant.
• Sex Workers Spreading STDs ($675,786) – Ever wonder why sex workers spread HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)? The answer might seem obvious, but NIH is spending $675,786 to find out exactly how and why in an ongoing study. Researches are continuing the regular testing of 600 female sex workers on the U.S.-Mexico border for HIV, syphilis, gonorrhea, and Chlamydia.
• Examining ‘Barriers to Correct Condom Use’ ($423,500) – It turns out “young, heterosexual adult men” weren’t using condoms as frequently as NIH would like. A study investigating the apparent problem in 2009 came with $423,500 price tag.

[shorepatrol 1,871]

Still yawning. 

[nobody 2,696]

6 hours ago, naomi said:

I have generally supported the POTUS since 2016, despite a lot of cringe worthy stuff.

The two virus briefings I saw were incredibly bad. There's been a federal beauracratic mess taking place in the response to this, and it's not Trump's fault imo, but I definitely find info via Twitter with either professional or local sources to be ahead of the two briefings I saw and a little more revealing. The political leaders are walking a line of not suppressing quite too much, yet more importantly to them, framing things to make people feel secure about the fed response. Which they shouldn't imo. But I understand it from a public management POV.

I think they should be framing things to make people feel secure.  If people feel like things are out of control, panic will ensue.  That helps nothing.

[fandandy 3,313]

21 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

Still yawning. 

I think that might be a symptom.  Nice knowing you.  

[naomi 356]

44 minutes ago, nobody said:

I think they should be framing things to make people feel secure.  If people feel like things are out of control, panic will ensue.  That helps nothing.

Yeah, I agree on the panic not helping note. Prepare though; don't feel so secure you're banking on the government. In the briefing last Saturday morning, Trump did answer a reporter that he thinks it's "always good" to be prepared. That sounds pretty innocuous but based on his countenance when he said it, I sensed he was glad to have a moment to sort of convey something off script but in the least dramatic manner possible. 

Some Americans like to, if they can, try to figure out the down and dirty of what they might be facing. Those briefings aren't good for that.

I do think they need to (if they haven't yet; I haven't seen the last few) start talking about the wisdom of people over 60 taking extra precautions. This is how the county next to me put it:

Placer County Public Health recommends additional measures to prevent exposure among  vulnerable people, including the elderly and those with underlying health conditions (such as diabetes, cancer, immunodeficiency, asthma, COPD and others). Public Health recommends that vulnerable people:

• Stay home as much as possible. Arrange for someone to deliver groceries and other items you need. Ensure you have at least a two-week supply of medication on hand.
• When staying home, healthy visitors are fine – but visitors who have fever, cough, or sore throat should be turned away. Encourage phone calls and video chats instead.
• Wash your hands regularly, especially before eating or before touching your face.
• If you need to leave the house, minimize contact with other people and with common surfaces. Stay at least six feet away from others. Avoid touching shared surfaces like door handles, or counters. Use clothing or a paper towel instead of bare hands to open doors, for example. Wash hands or use hand sanitizer after touching any shared surfaces or objects.

“If you are healthy and not at higher risk, please look out for friends and loved ones who would be considered more vulnerable and offer support,” Sisson said. “We are working with our state and federal partners to limit the impacts of this disease to our community, but we need the public’s help as well.”

[naomi 356]

I'm following a lady on Twitter who's quarantined with her granddaughter. Her granddaughter tested negative. The lady's test result was indeterminate so she is awaiting result #2. She's been sick with the symptoms for a bit now and she has a patient (lady is a psychiatrist I believe) who's a confirmed case. She found out today her patient needs ECMO treatment and the patient's family is hoping she can transfer hospitals for that.  She's in her 60's. 

Only eight hospitals in CA have ECMO. I saw in passing a week or so ago some professional speculating the nation needs a far greater ECMO capacity to weather this decently. 

 

[NorthernVike 2,087]

Have we lost any geeks to this yet?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

The Boomers keep on booming. Mfers brought this back from their world travelling and their not give a sh1t lifestyle. Tis true.

[Gladiators 1,995]

Is Seattle pretty much wiped out?

[DonS 3,292]

1 hour ago, Gladiators said:

Is Seattle pretty much wiped out?

Yep.  The purell hand sanitizer riots have begun.  It's like Mad Max out there. I've sheltered in place and have an axe at the ready.

[drobeski 3,061]

Isn't seattle filled with degenerate smelly losers anyway ? 

[Strike 5,606]

4 hours ago, NorthernVike said:

Have we lost any geeks to this yet?

No, but I think we might have lost Sux to the Coorsvirus.