Coronavirus - Doomsday

[fandandy 3,313]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Fireballer makes an early push for GOTY. 

Agreed.  Fireballer's wife's gonna be pissed though when Volty sends him a bride.

[Alias Detective 1,411]

46 minutes ago, fandandy said:

Agreed.  Fireballer's wife's gonna be pissed though when Volty sends him his wife’s used panties.

Agree.

[FeelingMN 273]

11 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

The FOX article even has a link to the CDC which does not support the numbers. I don't watch or read Fox, but it appears their reporting is as poor as all the others. The big question is where are these numbers coming from? Maybe you can help out?

State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

 

Or duh...duh...duh deep state.

[5-Points 3,578]

Interestingly, a colleague of mine just got back from a trip to Asia. I think he went to Singapore and Thailand. He said that while there, he saw a lot of concern and screening for the virus. Airports, train stations, etc. All had screeners directing people through certain areas depending on where they had arrived from and where they'd been.

Then he returned home through SFO and he said there was nothing. No signs, no warnings, no screenings... nothing. 

Just people arriving from all over the world, free to go about their business without a care in the world about possibly spreading a supposedly deadly, easily transmittable, global pandemic virus. 

Weird. 

[Voltaire 5,322]

28 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Interestingly, a colleague of mine just got back from a trip to Asia. I think he went to Singapore and Thailand. He said that while there, he saw a lot of concern and screening for the virus. Airports, train stations, etc. All had screeners directing people through certain areas depending on where they had arrived from and where they'd been.

Then he returned home through SFO and he said there was nothing. No signs, no warnings, no screenings... nothing. 

Just people arriving from all over the world, free to go about their business without a care in the world about possibly spreading a supposedly deadly, easily transmittable, global pandemic virus. 

Weird. 

I know some of what goes on in Asia is just a mental placebo to make us feel like they're doing something. There aren't enough test kits in the US, there are even less here. Worse, the first batch of ones they'd made were defective, three crucial weeks lost. We've got checkpoints with temperature guns everywhere. Well, those aren't meant for that, they don't detect coronavirus. It's the people with no symptoms that don't know they're infected that are infecting others and they'll never get detected with the temperature gun. By the time they get to the point that they have a fever, they are on their way to the hospital, not walking through your checkpoint.

[5-Points 3,578]

27 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I know some of what goes on in Asia is just a mental placebo to make us feel like they're doing something. There aren't enough test kits in the US, there are even less here. Worse, the first batch of ones they'd made were defective, three crucial weeks lost. We've got checkpoints with temperature guns everywhere. Well, those aren't meant for that, they don't detect coronavirus. It's the people with no symptoms that don't know they're infected that are infecting others and they'll never get detected with the temperature gun. By the time they get to the point that they have a fever, they are on their way to the hospital, not walking through your checkpoint.

It just struck me as odd that at a very busy international airport, in a state with a very high number of tourists, that there would be no monitoring or screening of travelers arriving from Asia.

I understand that the likelihood of catching infected people coming through the airport is low (and really, a little too late anyway) but you'd think there would be some sort of cursory screening process at a minimum. 

If it's not important enough to merrit some sort of intervention at an international airport, maybe we should stop with all the fear mongering.

 

[BLS 314]

Lt. Col for the Army and works as a researcher of infectious diseases.

I asked him what his professional opinion was regarding the severity of the Corona Virus.
I asked 'scale of 1-10, what's your level of concern?"

He said: 7, with the flu being a 5.

I then called him.

He said the media is way over blowing it. That there are probably thousands infected in the US now because the incubation period is so long and so many people were not diagnosed correctly.
He also said that unless you have a weak immune system, you will probably not be affected by it, and that many people will get it and not even know it because they don't have any symptoms and the body will build antibodies to fight it off naturally.
He did say if you experience flu-like symptoms that you should visit a DR immediately.
Said it's an airborne virus, so washing your hands (and he iterated, it's always a good thing to do) won't really do anything to help prevent you from getting it. Said you could "Get it in an elevator with an infected person, just sharing the air".

Said he expects it will start fading away around June and will not be a huge deal in the US.
He also mentioned a vaccine, but that's the first I heard of it, so maybe they're close to having one?

Take if for what it's worth.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

9 minutes ago, BLS said:

Lt. Col for the Army and works as a researcher of infectious diseases.

I asked him what his professional opinion was regarding the severity of the Corona Virus.
I asked 'scale of 1-10, what's your level of concern?"

He said: 7, with the flu being a 5.

I then called him.

He said the media is way over blowing it. That there are probably thousands infected in the US now because the incubation period is so long and so many people were not diagnosed correctly.
He also said that unless you have a weak immune system, you will probably not be affected by it, and that many people will get it and not even know it because they don't have any symptoms and the body will build antibodies to fight it off naturally.
He did say if you experience flu-like symptoms that you should visit a DR immediately.
Said it's an airborne virus, so washing your hands (and he iterated, it's always a good thing to do) won't really do anything to help prevent you from getting it. Said you could "Get it in an elevator with an infected person, just sharing the air".

Said he expects it will start fading away around June and will not be a huge deal in the US.
He also mentioned a vaccine, but that's the first I heard of it, so maybe they're close to having one?

Take if for what it's worth.

So he's basically a ball boy that you heard it from.  

[naomi 356]

This is very informative.

 

[naomi 356]

The aspect that's most unnerving:

"5% of people who are diagnosed with Covid require artificial respiration. Another 15% need to breathe in highly concentrated oxygen - and not just for a few days. The duration from the beginning of the disease until recovery is 3 to 6 weeks on average for these severe and critical patients (compared to only 2 weeks for the mildly ill)."

[Utilit99 4,099]

10 minutes ago, naomi said:

The aspect that's most unnerving:

"5% of people who are diagnosed with Covid require artificial respiration. Another 15% need to breathe in highly concentrated oxygen - and not just for a few days. The duration from the beginning of the disease until recovery is 3 to 6 weeks on average for these severe and critical patients (compared to only 2 weeks for the mildly ill)."

What are the statistics of those 70+ years of age that die of the seasonal flu?

[Fireballer 2,644]

17 hours ago, Voltaire said:

The masks Fireballer had sent Feb 9th arrived today.  They're a gift. He sent them for free, paid the shipping and asked for nothing in return. But ah, my wife and I will reciprocate, we'll send a gift his way.

Thanks, man. I'd had ten surgical masks and when my BiL was here, we had seven people. He wore one when he left. These are supposed to be disposable, one time use, but that's not how it works. I've been using the same surgical mask the whole time. We can't leave the house without one anymore. 

I have to admit, it's a bit of an odd feeling as cornoavirus news has changed so much and turned on it's ear since he'd sent them when it really felt so urgent. Now, with the disease slowing down over here, we're feeling more and more like dawn will arrive soon. Meanwhile, it's picking up more and more stateside and out of control in Italy, Iran, and Korea. 

Glad they finally arrived and you didnt die in the mean time.

Just save them for the next weird Petri dish virus yall invent over there.

[naomi 356]

5 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

What are the statistics of those 70+ years of age that die of the seasonal flu?

https://images.app.goo.gl/Wwp9YuveSSHeg5mN7

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, naomi said:

https://images.app.goo.gl/Wwp9YuveSSHeg5mN7

So corona virus is killing more than the common flu in the US? 

[naomi 356]

41 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

So corona virus is killing more than the common flu in the US? 

Your question didn't specify U.S.

Most everyday people would think "no" at this point. But interestingly, in all my COVID Twitter journeys following professionals and smart, watchful people, combined with anecdote from nurse sister-in-law, I actually wouldn't be surprised if quite a number of viral pneumonia deaths have been COVID in my county in the last couple weeks.

If they haven't been, all data I've seen suggests it's on the horizon.

Food for thought, particularly the responses of other people in the Seattle area.

 

[shorepatrol 1,871]

16 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

So corona virus is killing more than the common flu in the US? 

In 2 months this will go away. It's clownshoes 

[wiffleball 4,790]

Tornado scarier, deadlier than chinkflu.

[naomi 356]

46 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

In 2 months this will go away. It's clownshoes 

Make sure you educate yourself before you assume that. I fully understand when people react to sensationalism, or get uncomfortable that fear is taking over people, but I've been following certain professionals and just smart people, as mentioned, since mid-Jan and have seen things coming accurately so far. What I think is going to happen next is things will get worse in the Seattle area, to a dramatic point.

Maybe it will be concurrent with news about lots of positive tests results nationwide (or in CA), and hotspots like Santa Clara County, CA starting to register with King County, WA level activity...or maybe there's already an effort to control that info stream to allay panic. It was widely reported that this week would bring far more test results, although we're still, as a nation, way, way behind on testing. This week is on the wind down after today, so we will see. 

[NorthernVike 2,087]

22 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Tornado scarier, deadlier than chinkflu.

This.

[Voltaire 5,322]

1 hour ago, naomi said:

This is very informative.

 

This is such a helpful link, thanks for finding and posting it. 

It has been my experience, since Jan 22nd, China has really stepped up containment for those of us outside Hubei. They flipped the switch that day because their neglect before had been horrible. I've been really impressed with the reaction and I'm glad it's earned the WHO's praise as well as we can be a template for the rest of the world (for post Jan 22 reaction).

Test kits are critical. The US wasted three weeks with bad test kits. It's outstanding to know that China can make 1.6 million test kits per week. These need to get mass produced and out to hospitals and airports around the world. One of the big things that I'd been wondering about was how effective their testing was. This tells me that it's probably first rate. I'd told you that my BiL went back to Chengdu by train last week, in fact he'd not gone directly to the train station as he normal would. To board his train, he had to go to the hospital for a check and get OKed the day before he left. Until now, I'd wondered if they gave him one of those useless temperature gun checks, but knowing testing devices are becoming  widespread gives me confidence that he'd been properly screened and that anyone coming here is going to be well screened as well.

With China's opacity, it's hard to trust their numbers. I'd got a sense they were right but now with WHO doctors talking of empty hospital beds and a doctors having lack of research oportunities to test, that's a good sign the numbers are real.

Regarding the family cluster too, that's Panzhihua's experience as well. As I've mentioned now a half dozen times, of our 15 cases, 14 were from one family or their friends. (All recovered and released)

It's great to see that Sichuan province is listed to show how proactive we've been around here. Also that Chengdu was specifically mentioned by name as a city hosting WHO experts, as Chengdu is the capital of this province.

[Voltaire 5,322]

An informative explanation of kind of what we're going through over here.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

 

Iranian Revolutionary Guard commander says coronavirus may have been caused by US biological attack

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-revolutionary-guard-coronavirus-us-biological-attack

[Leeson 54]

10 hours ago, wiffleball said:

Tornado scarier, deadlier than chinkflu.

Hanging out in your Mom's basement protects you from tornado's, coronavirus, and women.

[Voltaire 5,322]

18 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

 

Iranian Revolutionary Guard commander says coronavirus may have been caused by US biological attack

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-revolutionary-guard-coronavirus-us-biological-attack

You'd be amazed/disappointed by how much this rumor spreads in China with smart people who should know better.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

10 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Hanging out in your Mom's basement protects you from tornado's, coronavirus, and women.

Who the fock is this guy? 

[edjr 6,608]

Had our 1st person sent home from the office for 2 weeks for going to Thailand.  

so she comes back in 2 weeks and then what? we are all getting it, stop chasing your focking tails

[TimmySmith 2,782]

10 minutes ago, edjr said:

Had our 1st person sent home from the office for 2 weeks for going to Thailand.  

so she comes back in 2 weeks and then what? we are all getting it, stop chasing your focking tails

Read about that Westchester lawyer, must have been banging Chinese hos.  He gets it, his whole family gets it, his driver gets it.  

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-has-second-coronavirus-case-11583246088

[edjr 6,608]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

Read about that Westchester lawyer, must have been banging Chinese hos.  He gets it, his whole family gets it, his driver gets it.  

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-has-second-coronavirus-case-11583246088

45% of people between the ages of 40 and 60 got it in china.  When does it stop? 

 

My question is, can you get it more than once? What if you had it 2 months ago and are clear now?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

45% of people between the ages of 40 and 60 got it in china.  When does it stop? 

My question is, can you get it more than once? What if you had it 2 months ago and are clear now?

Have you heard of one single person recovering from it?

[edjr 6,608]

8 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Have you heard of one single person recovering from it?

More than half of coronavirus patients globally have recovered

 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/04/more-than-half-of-coronavirus-patients-globally-have-recovered/

 

 

[jerryskids 6,854]

13 hours ago, 5-Points said:

It just struck me as odd that at a very busy international airport, in a state with a very high number of tourists, that there would be no monitoring or screening of travelers arriving from Asia.

I understand that the likelihood of catching infected people coming through the airport is low (and really, a little too late anyway) but you'd think there would be some sort of cursory screening process at a minimum. 

If it's not important enough to merrit some sort of intervention at an international airport, maybe we should stop with all the fear mongering.

 

This is indeed odd.  Didn't SF declare a state of emergency?  The city of Phoenix owns/runs/manages Sky Harbor airport, does SF run SFO?  It seems like they would be doing something. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

15 minutes ago, edjr said:

45% of people between the ages of 40 and 60 got it in china.  When does it stop? 

 

My question is, can you get it more than once? What if you had it 2 months ago and are clear now?

They don't know as far as I read.  There was a person who got it, recovered and then tested positive later on.  They are not sure if that person is contagious or whether the virus was in their system enough to show as being positive.  That is the problem with a new virus like this.  There is a lot that we don't know and yet, we have to plan for it.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

4 minutes ago, edjr said:

More than half of coronavirus patients globally have recovered

https://nypost.com/2020/03/04/more-than-half-of-coronavirus-patients-globally-have-recovered/

Saw that, but have you seen a single name and face of someone who recovered? 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

More importantly, why does it keep going back to the last quote that someone did from reddit every focking time I want to see the last post???!!!! 

[edjr 6,608]

14 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Saw that, but have you seen a single name and face of someone who recovered? 

 are you saying they all ded?

[Gladiators 1,995]

17 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

More importantly, why does it keep going back to the last quote that someone did from reddit every focking time I want to see the last post???!!!! 

You're infected!  T's & P's

[TimmySmith 2,782]

5 minutes ago, edjr said:

 are you saying they all ded?

No.  I find it interesting that no news agency has had an interview with a recovered person.  Seems like it would be a ratings bonanza. 

But maybe there is more money in selling it as an epidemic.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

3 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

No.  I find it interesting that no news agency has had an interview with a recovered person.  Seems like it would be a ratings bonanza. 

But maybe there is more money in selling it as an epidemic.

Or you could just do a quick Google Search.  This came up first for me.

We Spoke to Six Americans With Coronavirus

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/coronavirus-recovery.html

[Voltaire 5,322]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

45% of people between the ages of 40 and 60 got it in china.  When does it stop? 

Something is wrong with your math. Check with Joe Biden.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

59 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Something is wrong with your math. Check with Joe Biden.

How many people do you think were exposed to the virus in China? I think it would be tens of millions if not more. Do you think you were exposed but didn’t get it? Do you think there was no chance you were exposed?