Is there a way to stop the shootings?

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

White flag right here.

Yes, the article is too new for you.

[edjr 6,580]

20 minutes ago, riversco said:

Legalize prostitution everywhere so all the incels get some regularly.  Put out and save lives.  

I said that a little bit a go

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1 minute ago, edjr said:

I said that a little bit a go

Now you how Bernie Sanders feels. 

[FeelingMN 273]

1 hour ago, Casual Observer said:

No, we're concerned mainly about gun violence directed at others, as opposed to suicides, which compromise the majority of gun deaths.  Differentiating between the two is an honest approach.  Please take the rest of this message to the 8chan boards.

Guns make it easier to off yourself.  And the more guns in a given area, the more likely someone will die from a gun shot.  https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/

I make no mention of taking away anyone's guns or anything like that.  If we're having an honest debate about gun deaths, you have to acknowledge they make killing easier.

As far as gun murders go....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state 

Of the 20 with the highest gun murder rate, 16 went to Trump in the last election.

So....if we're having an honest discussion about this, let's face it.  Guns kill.  And if you really wanna say people kill people, then we have to ask, why do many of those people live in red states?  What about those places/people drive them to kill?

 

[Bier Meister 1,710]

52 minutes ago, riversco said:

A melting pot infers that immigrants assimilate into the established culture.  That is a good model for immigration.  Were not doing that.   The people immigrating keep their culture intact and try to get the established culture to change which creates division. 

I have believed for a few decades that we were more like a mixed salad than a melting pot.

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9 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

I have believed for a few decades that we were more like a mixed salad than a melting pot.

This nation is turning into mixed nuts. 

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33 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

Guns make it easier to off yourself.  And the more guns in a given area, the more likely someone will die from a gun shot.  https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/

I make no mention of taking away anyone's guns or anything like that.  If we're having an honest debate about gun deaths, you have to acknowledge they make killing easier.

As far as gun murders go....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state 

Of the 20 with the highest gun murder rate, 16 went to Trump in the last election.

So....if we're having an honest discussion about this, let's face it.  Guns kill.  And if you really wanna say people kill people, then we have to ask, why do many of those people live in red states?  What about those places/people drive them to kill?

 

Gun violence rates only count when there’s a Democratic mayor or governor and when they go up. Mr. Hack taught me that. 

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38 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

Guns make it easier to off yourself.  And the more guns in a given area, the more likely someone will die from a gun shot.  https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/

I make no mention of taking away anyone's guns or anything like that.  If we're having an honest debate about gun deaths, you have to acknowledge they make killing easier.

As far as gun murders go....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state 

Of the 20 with the highest gun murder rate, 16 went to Trump in the last election.

So....if we're having an honest discussion about this, let's face it.  Guns kill.  And if you really wanna say people kill people, then we have to ask, why do many of those people live in red states?  What about those places/people drive them to kill?

 

Of course, that's why they were invented.  You'll have to perform another cut though.  I bet you'll find that gun violence and gun killing, even in Red States, is committed by certain ethnic groups at a rate and on a magnitude far outpacing others.  Then you'll have to cross-reference those criminals with their voting habits, because not all residents of a State that went to Trump voted for him.  Where will you end up after that analysis, or did you simply want to create the misimpression that people that voted for Trump participate in gun violence at a higher rate than lefties?

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1 hour ago, FeelingMN said:

Guns make it easier to off yourself.  And the more guns in a given area, the more likely someone will die from a gun shot.  https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/

I make no mention of taking away anyone's guns or anything like that.  If we're having an honest debate about gun deaths, you have to acknowledge they make killing easier.

As far as gun murders go....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state 

Of the 20 with the highest gun murder rate, 16 went to Trump in the last election.

So....if we're having an honest discussion about this, let's face it.  Guns kill.  And if you really wanna say people kill people, then we have to ask, why do many of those people live in red states?  What about those places/people drive them to kill?

 

Yeah because the voters hope Trump will turn that around for them.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

I said that a little bit a go

Sorry im really busy at work and getting ready for guests from back east to stay at my place for a week.  might have skimmed a bit!

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1 hour ago, FeelingMN said:

So....if we're having an honest discussion about this, let's face it.  Guns kill.  And if you really wanna say people kill people, then we have to ask, why do many of those people live in red states?  What about those places/people drive them to kill?

 

If we are really being honest then we need to admit that the majority of these mass shooters are registered democrats. So maybe the fact that so many of these occur in red states stems from the divisive rhetoric emanating from the rabble rousers in the Democratic party. Which seems to incite the weak minded in their party to lash out violently against their fellow citizens. Perhaps because they are in a state with a large number of people who disagree with them politically they feel justified in carrying out these acts because they've been told that those people are responsible for all of the country's ills. 

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15 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

If we are really being honest then we need to admit that the majority of these mass shooters are registered democrats. So maybe the fact that so many of these occur in red states stems from the divisive rhetoric emanating from the rabble rousers in the Democratic party. Which seems to incite the weak minded in their party to lash out violently against their fellow citizens. Perhaps because they are in a state with a large number of people who disagree with them politically they feel justified in carrying out these acts because they've been told that those people are responsible for all of the country's ills. 

Is this the kinda rhetoric you’re talking about? CBS deleted it and you can only find it on random YT channels now.

 

ORANGE MAN BAD

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Honestly I don't think that there is a way to stop this...  A lot of whacked out people (assumption that they are in fact "whacked out") want to be noted for something/anything for what they see as a "pitiful" life...  One of the best ways to become notable is to try to kill as many people as possible...

The media does play a huge hand in this, but I doubt that they would ever stop showing these events...  It gets people to their channels and does push their agenda...

Even if guns were taken away from everyone in the United States, people would still find other ways to accomplish this goal...  As long as there is a ton of hate in this country, this will never stop...
 

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3 minutes ago, posty said:

Honestly I don't think that there is a way to stop this...  A lot of whacked out people (assumption that they are in fact "whacked out") want to be noted for something/anything for what they see as a "pitiful" life...  One of the best ways to become notable is to try to kill as many people as possible...

The media does play a huge hand in this, but I doubt that they would ever stop showing these events...  It gets people to their channels and does push their agenda...

Even if guns were taken away from everyone in the United States, people would still find other ways to accomplish this goal...  As long as there is a ton of hate in this country, this will never stop...
 

I think over urbanization is a huge reason why. People just start acting weird when you cram to many of them into the same location. I think it causes a lot of problems, It creates a 1-up mentality. 

[FeelingMN 273]

1 hour ago, Casual Observer said:

Of course, that's why they were invented.  You'll have to perform another cut though.  I bet you'll find that gun violence and gun killing, even in Red States, is committed by certain ethnic groups at a rate and on a magnitude far outpacing others.  Then you'll have to cross-reference those criminals with their voting habits, because not all residents of a State that went to Trump voted for him.  Where will you end up after that analysis, or did you simply want to create the misimpression that people that voted for Trump participate in gun violence at a higher rate than lefties?

Illinois, New York, and California all have high populations consisting of certain ethnic groups.  Yet Oklahoma and Alaska have a higher gun murder rate.  And yes, I'm not burying my head in the sand with regard to gang violence in metro areas....and most of it is blacks.  I get it.  But if it was exclusively a minority/liberal cause for gun violence, you'd expect to see Illinois, New York, California, Massachusetts, Washington, and Minnesota with higher rates of gun murders.  But they don't.  So it's not simply a left/right or white/black thing.  

But yeah, I hear your point.....don't go into the hood.

37 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

If we are really being honest then we need to admit that the majority of these mass shooters are registered democrats. So maybe the fact that so many of these occur in red states stems from the divisive rhetoric emanating from the rabble rousers in the Democratic party. Which seems to incite the weak minded in their party to lash out violently against their fellow citizens. Perhaps because they are in a state with a large number of people who disagree with them politically they feel justified in carrying out these acts because they've been told that those people are responsible for all of the country's ills. 

https://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2018/feb/23/claudia-tenney/do-many-mass-shooters-end-being-democrats-rep-tenn/

 

I mentioned gun violence in red states because it does happen.  Blaming these sorts of things purely on the left is inaccurate.  My posts above had nothing to do with mass shootings in red states.  And as far as most mass shooters being a registered democrat?  Not seeing it.  But whatever helps you hold that pitchfork.

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2 hours ago, FeelingMN said:

Guns make it easier to off yourself.  And the more guns in a given area, the more likely someone will die from a gun shot.  https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/

I make no mention of taking away anyone's guns or anything like that.  If we're having an honest debate about gun deaths, you have to acknowledge they make killing easier.

As far as gun murders go....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state 

Of the 20 with the highest gun murder rate, 16 went to Trump in the last election.

So....if we're having an honest discussion about this, let's face it.  Guns kill.  And if you really wanna say people kill people, then we have to ask, why do many of those people live in red states?  What about those places/people drive them to kill?

 

I haven't been in this discussion, but from your own wiki link, click on the graphic in the top right or follow this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state#/media/File:Gun_Ownership_Related_to_Gun_Violence_by_State_(United_States).svg

There is no correlation between gun violence and gun ownership, at least per that graphic. 

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59 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Is this the kinda rhetoric you’re talking about? CBS deleted it and you can only find it on random YT channels now.

 

ORANGE MAN BAD

Wow! Hadn't seen that before.

I was mainly talking about the likes of Maxine Waters, with her "get in their face and let them know they aren't welcome here...." The purposeful mischaracterizing of things the president says ie: "He called Mexicans rapists", "he wants to ban all muslims", "he called white nationalists good people"....

Next you start labeling everybody who disagrees with your political ideology, including a sitting president, a nazi white supremacist then sit back with your popcorn and watch the festivities begin. 

Then have the audacity to blame the guy you spread all those lies about for all the sh!t you started. 

And the retards swallow it hook, line and sinker. 

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2 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

I have believed for a few decades that we were more like a mixed salad than a melting pot.

I believe we are more like a bowl of granola: What is not fruits and nuts, is flakes.      

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35 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

Illinois, New York, and California all have high populations consisting of certain ethnic groups.  Yet Oklahoma and Alaska have a higher gun murder rate.  And yes, I'm not burying my head in the sand with regard to gang violence in metro areas....and most of it is blacks.  I get it.  But if it was exclusively a minority/liberal cause for gun violence, you'd expect to see Illinois, New York, California, Massachusetts, Washington, and Minnesota with higher rates of gun murders.  But they don't.  So it's not simply a left/right or white/black thing.  

But yeah, I hear your point.....don't go into the hood.

https://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2018/feb/23/claudia-tenney/do-many-mass-shooters-end-being-democrats-rep-tenn/

 

I mentioned gun violence in red states because it does happen.  Blaming these sorts of things purely on the left is inaccurate.  My posts above had nothing to do with mass shootings in red states.  And as far as most mass shooters being a registered democrat?  Not seeing it.  But whatever helps you hold that pitchfork.

I didn't blame anything purely on the left. I said most of these mass shooters are registered democrats. Perhaps that was a bit too far. I should have said they are lefties, not necessarily registered democrats. I stand by that assessment which is based on my own recollection. It almost always turns out to be a nutter on the left that commits these heinous acts. 

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7 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Wow!  Something I actually agree with you on.  I think they definitely play a role.  Probably not as big a role as you may think, but a role nonetheless.

I think hyper realistic and violent first person shooter games opened the door.

As for whoever said that yeah but other countries have those games too... they don’t have nearly as easy access to guns. The games create the fantasy but ease of access to assault rifles and such make it a reality.

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21 minutes ago, BiPolarBear said:

I believe we are more like a bowl of granola: What is not fruits and nuts, is flakes.      

Easiest way to ruin a good parfait is to add raisins. 

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3 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

I have believed for a few decades that we were more like a mixed salad than a melting pot.

 

 

OMG...that's what one of my college professors said in her sociology or humanities class or some class like that.  This was in 1992.  One of the few things I remember a college instructor say.

".....it has been said that the U.S is a melting pot, but that is mostly incorrect.  We are more of a tossed salad, as each ethnic group is able to keep is own tendencies/identity, etc....."

 

Holy crap.  She still teaches.  She is in MInnesota now. 
 

https://sbs.mnsu.edu/academics/history/faculty-and-staff/lori-lahlum/

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5 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

1.  The U.S. is not a homogeneous country like Japan or Switzerland or etc. etc.   We are a melting pot which creates division.  It's human nature, and comparing crime rates in the the US to those countries creates false equivalencies. 

2.  The U.S. has the second amendment.  We are free to hunt, protect ourselves and our property.  Period.

3. There seems to be a rise in "mass domestic shootings" the past 20 years.  To pretend this doesn't coorelate with the advent of social media and video gaming would be naive.

4. I find the link to mental prescription drugs to these killers to be hard to blame.  a.) logic dictates that crazy people would be treated in the past for craziness  and b.) would we really want people who need treatment not to get it?   I think a better root cause analysis would be what is causing mental illness in the first place rather than focus on the treatment itself as some correlation.

5. There is no reason why certain weapons / ammo / etc. is legal.  We do not allow most automatic weapons because in the hand of a crazy person these weapons would do the most damage the quickest.  This logic can be used for other types of weapons commonly sold in the U.S.  Enforcing current laws and creating a broader range of guns that are newly deemed illegal makes common sense.

6.  Even if magically ALL guns were outlawed and destroyed crazy people will still do crazy things.  i.e. homemade bombs, arson, stabbings, on and on.  Which leads me to the actual root cause analysis opposed to the vehicle used. 

All of this can be true at once.

 

Re: the drugs. I also have a hard time drawing a direct link but I will say that antidepressants and such have a link to violent ideation. Usually it is against oneself, ie suicidal ideation (which is obviously counterintuitive for anti depressants). But I don’t think it’s impossible to think maybe they can lead to outward instances of extreme violence. Certainly not proven or anything so far as I know, but I do think it could be an area worth investigating.

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7 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

 

 

OMG...that's what one of my college professors said in her sociology or humanities class or some class like that.  This was in 1992.  One of the few things I remember a college instructor say.

".....it has been said that the U.S is a melting pot, but that is mostly incorrect.  We are more of a tossed salad, as each ethnic group is able to keep is own tendencies/identity, etc....."

 

Holy crap.  She still teaches.  She is in MInnesota now. 
 

https://sbs.mnsu.edu/academics/history/faculty-and-staff/lori-lahlum/

While we should all be able to hold onto our heritage, we all still need to assimilate to US laws and customs.  English should be mandatory for citizenship.

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/chicago-mount-sinai-hospital/index.html

[Fireballer 2,642]

Fuk Kaepernick and all of those on his jock with the bullsh!t narrative. These Dayton cops, like a vast majority of cops, were willing to lay their lives down to save others. They literally were out gunned and were like lambs to slaughter.  Im guessing, at best, they have IIIA ballistic protection in their vests.  No match for rifle rounds.  And, the perp had  ballistic protection.  Thank God some rounds found their way home.

 

[Intense Observer 344]

Photo of every mass shooter in 2019

Notice a trend?

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31 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Fuk Kaepernick and all of those on his jock with the bullsh!t narrative. These Dayton cops, like a vast majority of cops, were willing to lay their lives down to save others. They literally were out gunned and were like lambs to slaughter.  Im guessing, at best, they have IIIA ballistic protection in their vests.  No match for rifle rounds.  And, the perp had  ballistic protection.  Thank God some rounds found their way home.

 

 

K-stink is a piece of sh1t loser. Unfortunately you won't hear about how these guys laid their lives on the line because the MSM is too busy jacking off while blaming it on racism and Trump.

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23 minutes ago, Intense Observer said:

Photo of every mass shooter in 2019

Notice a trend?

Russia! White Supremacists! 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

2 hours ago, Intense Observer said:

Photo of every mass shooter in 2019

Notice a trend?

Pretty much all of them are men.

Ban men?

[KSB2424 3,148]

2 hours ago, Intense Observer said:

Photo of every mass shooter in 2019

Notice a trend?

Women must not own guns

[GobbleDog 996]

Ban commercial firearm / ammo sales.  Nothing short of that will reduce US gun violence rates to every other first world country.  Better back-ground checks, mental health checks, magazine limitations, etc... worthless. Since a commercial ban is politically impossible, we're in for another 100+ years of mass-shootings and gun carnage.  Just hope it doesn't happen to anyone you care about.

We've been down this road before. 

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2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Ban commercial firearm / ammo sales.  Nothing short of that will reduce US gun violence rates to every other first world country.  Better back-ground checks, mental health checks, magazine limitations, etc... worthless. Since a commercial ban is politically impossible, we're in for another 100+ years of mass-shootings and gun carnage.  Just hope it doesn't happen to anyone you care about.

We've been down this road before. 

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6 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Ban commercial firearm / ammo sales.  Nothing short of that will reduce US gun violence rates to every other first world country.  Better back-ground checks, mental health checks, magazine limitations, etc... worthless. Since a commercial ban is politically impossible, we're in for another 100+ years of mass-shootings and gun carnage.  Just hope it doesn't happen to anyone you care about.

We've been down this road before. 

False 50% of murders are intercity gang related that would still keep our numbers high

[Hardcore troubadour 15,396]

Bring back dodgeball and wedgies. Destroy the spirit of these freaks and losers and keep them playing dungeons and dragons and in the comicbook store where they belong. 

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5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Bring back dodgeball and wedgies. Destroy the spirit of these freaks and losers and keep them playing dungeons and dragons and in the comicbook store where they belong. 

You leave dungeons and dragons out of this or I'll hit you with a fireball that does 5d8 damage.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,396]

Just now, Voltaire said:

You leave dungeons and dragons out of this or I'll hit you with a fireball that does 5d8 damage.

[Mike Honcho 5,269]

Not sure if this thread  has really made any serious headway or found solutions to stopping mass shootings, still it's more discussion than has occurred in the Senate.   

[TBayXXXVII 2,543]

14 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I think hyper realistic and violent first person shooter games opened the door.

As for whoever said that yeah but other countries have those games too... they don’t have nearly as easy access to guns. The games create the fantasy but ease of access to assault rifles and such make it a reality.

Yes, to a point, I agree with you.  I think to completely dismiss this is foolish.

[drobeski 3,061]

13 hours ago, Intense Observer said:

Photo of every mass shooter in 2019

Notice a trend?

Seems as though white nationalists are lagging behind